Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath (2016-19) (5) or
Are we being properly (mis)informed or not? (Review of TV show that ran 3 seasons. Hosts: Leah Remini and Mike Rinder)
At 4:46 screen dump quote: “A child is not a special species of animal distinct from man. A child is a man or a woman who has not attained full growth.”
At 4:57 screen dump quote: “Any law which applies to the behavior of men and women applies to children.”
Next we get this statement from Leah Remini:
At 4:57: “Scientologists believe that children are old spirits in little bodies. That they've lived before and they're gonna live again. Why is that dangerous? That's a dangerous concept because then there's no ownership. You learn that, yes, you're daughter's your daughter this lifetime, but maybe she was your mother last lifetime, and she might be your husband, ne... you know, another lifetime. So you don't really... uh, value your interpersonal relationships with your kids. There's not, like, that ownership of, like, ‘No, that's my kid. I will deal with my kid the way I deal with my kid’. You hand your child over to Scientology. And it's just no way for a child... to be raised.”
If “children are old spirits in little bodies” then you may not say that because that would be a “dangerous concept”? There are many religions that accept reincarnation and things, are all these religions then “dangerous”?
Leah Remini complains “then there's no ownership” of a child. Does Leah Remini really think that you own a child? Isn't that a “dangerous concept”? You prepare this child for living in this world, and the parents do their part in raising them, and then you let them go. Leah Remini really has her mind spinning about this.
The book ‘Dianetics’ (1950), ‘Child Dianetics’ (1951) and ‘The Second Dynamic’ (1981, they all speak against her evaluation. It may be interesting to note that the second book has been discontinued since 2007 in the Church, the same goes for the third book (last print was in 1982), but this does not change the matter. In 1981 another book was published called ‘The Way to Happiness’, this one does not agree with Leah Remini either. Does she read any books at all? Or does she just takes some phrases, listens to some rumours or opinions that are told by people, and next she runs with that?! It is that impression she makes! See, there is nó teaching about that “You hand your child over to Scientology.”.
The story of Mirriam Francis (sexual abuse)
At 6:51: “I am Mirriam Francis. I was born into Scientology in 1984, and I left in 2010. When I was seven years old, I met Saina.”
At 9:08: “So my story begins in Australia in 1984. My parents at that time were both in the Sea Organization. I had two siblings and... two brothers. My mother was an amazing oil painter. She was very talented, and when I was about three, four years old, she then relocated to Los Angeles to complete a series of oil paintings, which were portraits of L. Ron Hubbard, which she was recruited through the Sea Org to do.
So she's then away for nearly two years and my dad is caring for us, and he's a single parent essentially. During this time, he begins to sexually abuse me. It would be in the night. Um, I'd be asleep. I would wake up to it happening. Um, he would be... I re... actually, I don't want to get into detail about what actually he was doing to me.
... I just didn't want to exist in that moment, so I would actually say to myself, I would repeat this line, ‘I want to die. I want to die. I want to die’. Imagine, like, a three, four, or five-year-old child saying that to themselves.”
Both parents were in the Sea Org, but the mother was called away, leaving the children with just the father. One may should inquire what the living situation was as we heard in the first season statement made that children live separately from both parents. Apparently this is nót the case here!
Two years later she is abused again:
13:18 Mirriam Francis: “My brothers and I would spend approximately one night a week at my father's Sea Org apartment. So I was about seven years old. That's when the sexual abuse started up again, um, by my father.”
Why was this never caught in sec checking* procedures, which we are told, were occurring all the time?
Children and the Sea Org
At 12:32 Leah Remini: “This is the life of a Sea Org child. There is no more parents. Scientology's your parent. They're in charge of everything. So your parents have no real role in your life.”
At 12:42 Mike Rinder: “I had two children born into the Sea Organization. They were not cared for by me. I didn't house them. I didn't school them. I didn't provide them with anything. And, you know, when they... they do videos today saying what a rotten father I was, they're... they're right. I was. I was a Sea Org father.”
Both Leah Remini and Mike Rinder talk about parents, and while they talk like that this screen dump appears on the TV show:
At 12:42-12:45:
FO 354
Lifted quotes
Full text
This is actually a deliberate (or at best very very naïve) dishonest presentation on the TV show. Yes, the Flag Order does say “They must be separately berthed”, where the sentence is cut short on the screen dump, here an obvious false impressions is made, as it does nót say parents, it says “... from student and other children.”. What this means is explained as follows:
“Any child who has passed his staff status II and AB* or Engine Room checksheet and has a post which he is holding in the Sea Org and who has a good ethics record is hereafter to be referred to not in a generality of ‘children’ but as a CADET.
The word ‘children’ is not to be used to describe these as it is a generality. If there are children about they are classified as children, but this does not include Cadets. Children are people who have not passed checksheets and have no paid post in the Sea Org.”LRH (from ‘FO 760’, 25 May 68 “Cadets, Children, Designation” - there are three categories, consult here, separate window))
Why oh why is Leah Remini doing this? She is effectively destroying her credibility when she pulls stunts like this!
These early Flag Orders were for use on a vessel, you are at sea. The idea is that you can't have children running around on a ship of this type, it does require some disciplining. The Flag Orders that address children are sort of strict, but essentially not unfair. It is easy to understand thought how it could be taken the wrong way, and misapplied. There are various rules, for safety and other things, that do apply that these Flag Orders talk about.
It is to be understood as well that none of any Flag Order put aside other references such as HCO PLs etc. or the books addressing children, this includes the information relayed by ‘Dianetics’ (1950), ‘Child Dianetics’ (1951), ‘The Second Dynamic’ (1981) and ‘The Way to Happiness’ (1981). True is that the second and third book listed have been discontinued, but not the information found in them as they were just collections of materials.
About schooling (on the ship):
“(c) School - The ‘Three Rs’ etc. ...
Any child of 15 or less must complete its schooling” LRH (from ‘FO 301’, 16 Nov 67 “Children - Ship Regulations”)
About schooling (in land):
“Children and Cadets may attend public or state Schools in their area, but a tutor must be provided to assist the students after school hours to handle any confusions encountered in the school materials. Full standard Study Tech is used.
Children and Cadets may NOT be allowed to have losses in their education due to poor study systems in public schools.” (from ‘FO 3167’, 6 Apr 72 “The Organization of Children in Land Based Units”)
You are free to leave:
“Those rules apply:
1. Any child who is here because someone else wanted it may leave the vessel.” LRH (from ‘FO 788’, 30 May 68 “Children, Every Child Must Be Personally Told This”)
Treatment of small children at sea:
“Never punish children, but do run good 8-C* and good control without any lower tone scale emotions and actions.”[Mary Sue Hubbard] (from ‘FO 3168’, 5 Apr 72 “Nanny Hat Write-up” - full reference here, separate window)
Observed dangers for children in the Sea Org:
“PARENTS COMMITTEE
15.
THE PURPOSE of the Parents Committee is to iron out Nursery facilities and ensure the proper care and upbringing of Cadets, Children, Small Children and Babies of Sea Org parents.
16.
THE IDEAL SCENE of the Parents Committee is SO Parents taking active interest and concern in their youngsters and seeing to their care, education and production as assets to the Sea Org and valuable Beings.” all the above (from ‘FO 3167’, 6 Apr 72 “The Organization of Children in Land Based Units”)
This sounds all a bit well calculated and cold. No one is talking about a child being able to just be a child without all the grooming talk “as assets to the Sea Org and valuable Beings”. A child or youngsters should have the opportunity to play with friends, develope social contacts, explore their surroundings, see other things, do sports in some center. Children are not things. Sorry, I don't like this very much. This Flag Order was written by the ‘CS-7’ which is the Flag LRH Comm (LC), the person that is responsible for things running smoothly, policy in use, a good keep up of the staff, premises, etc. This may speak for itself.
The writer of the Flag Order states at the end of the writing:
“CHILDREN AS ASSETS
In the American society exists a degraded contempt for children. Adults regard them as ‘dear little cute things’. God damn them.
This attitude is not allowed in the Sea Org.
THE YOUNG PEOPLE OF A SOCIETY ARE A ASSET AND MUST BE CARED FOR AND PROPERLY BROUGHT UP AS VALUABLE BEINGS. THOSE WHO DECIDE TO JOIN THE SEA ORG AND BE PART OF THE TEAM MUST BE ALLOWED TO DO THEIR BEST.”
The outcome of what is being said about this on the TV show is thus not directly incorrect. The clear tendency is that with this attitude things are not going off in the right direction. The parents are mostly absent in their upbringing. Children get estranged from the outside world. They don't learn how to handle themselves in that world outside there, as commonly they don't enroll on an ordinary public school. If you are robbed from this, then you are really not going to do a good job ‘handling this planet’ as they are saying. You will instead fail rather miserably...
Quite frankly, it might not be very desirable to have children on a ship under such strict conditions, but then if the parents are also on the ship. Even in land being in this Sea Org as a young child, under the conditions as described, would not be desirable. I have seen the Cadet Orgs, the nurseries, their premises, how it is run, and how the children get to be. They are often left to their own devices and fate...
A peculiar reference was made to Flag Order 3167 at 24:45:
At 24:38 Mike Rinder: “L. Ron Hubbard wrote specific policies for the Sea Organization that dictate children are treated identically to adults. There is no difference on what is expected of them, or how they are treated in whether they accomplish what's expected of them.”
“L. Ron Hubbard wrote ...”? The problem is that this particular Flag Order was not written by L. Ron Hubbard. It says very clearly: ‘CS-7 for L. RON HUBBARD’. The actual writer goes by the initials ‘CW’. There is nothing that indicates it was even seen by L. Ron Hubbard, something that was not required either.
The story of Saina Kamula (sexual abuse)
At 7:10: “I'm Saina Kamula and I was born into Scientology in 1985. I was a Scientologist for 28 years, and I left in 2013.”
At 14:46 Saina Kamula: “My mom... got into Scientology through my dad. You know, she was looking for something bigger, something better, and, you know, life wasn't doing it, you know, and Scientology for her was huge. I was born in Sweden. My parents split at an early age, and I went with my mother to Finland. My mother was really smart. You know, top of her class, and she was just looking for something bigger. We moved to California because my mom was joining the Sea Org when I was 7½, and I was put into the Apollo Training Academy with the other kids of Sea Org members.”
At 15:34-15:57: Mirriam Francis and Saina Kamula “met” and “became friends”.
At 16:39 Saina Kamula: “About a year in, I'd learned quite a bit of English, but I was still bullied for my accent, and how I spoke and... I felt very alone, and there was a teacher that was extremely nice to me, and he made me feel safe, and I really appreciated that.”
At 16:59-18:33: “And it started slow”, “hugs”, “tickle”, “sit on his lap” to “grinding and rubbing”, “tight hugs that I felt very uncomfortable in. Kisses on the neck”. “he was panting, breathing, touch... I remember fingers under my shirt, um, and he got up and he locked the doors”, “I didn't want that, and I froze”, “a lot of activity, a lot of touching, and there's no penetration, but I just remember his red panting face. Just making god-awful sounds.”
Then right in the middle of Saina Kamula telling her story and at this exact point we suddenly see this screen dump appearing in the TV show at 18:48:
It is not explained in any way on the TV show. Obviously we are left on our own what to make of this. The intent however would be excruciatingly clear! Problem here is that it is taken out of context.
We then find that a journalist by the name Tony Ortega made a big issue of it after seeing this on the TV show. I address this here (separate window).
Saina Kamula continues her story:
At 18:51: “I told my mom, ‘I don't wanna be here. I really don't wanna be here’. Um... and she's li... she didn't even ask me why. She just said, ‘You're just being counter-intention to my dreams, to my purpose’.”
At 19:43: “There was another teacher there that I felt more comfortable telling about what happened, and I remember her grabbing my arm and I just feel like... I remember feeling so ashamed. This teacher, she told me, you know, ‘You are nattering’.”
‘Nattering’ is a typical Scientology word that basically implies, if you are called doing that, that you must have done something wrong and that you are now misbehaving.
At 20:05 Leah Remini: “So you went and tell another Sea Org member... that you were... are being molested, and she tells you that you are criticizing the Sea Org member, and, therefore, you have transgressions.”
Her own mother fails her, and then this other Sea Org member fails her also. What are this for people? I haven't seen such extreme play outs myself, but the word ‘nattering’ could pop up a bit well quick during this sort of interactions. That you originate telling, you were not supposed to tell about it, it was figured you had to write it down to the Ethics Officer who will then deal with it. So, my impression was frequently that the person to whom you were sharing something non-optimum, and they called it ‘nattering’, that it meant the person wanted nothing to do with it or hear about it. Because if they did, it made them responsible, which meant they had to act, and if they did not they would then become an “ACCESSORY to the crime”. Something like that. It is unfortunate that there is very little concern about other people, that is if you are staff in the Sea Org. A few care, but many don't have the time (tight schedules) or the willingness to set aside some time to listen.
At 20:34 Saina Kamula: “I don't know what I did wrong, but I had to make amends, and from there, it was very clear to me, that this is not something that I can talk about, and that it was somehow my fault that that had happened.
That moment when I tried to talk to my mom and this other Sea Org member was a pivotal moment because it was like the foundation underneath me was ripped. I realized, there's nothing I can do. There's nothing.”
This behaviour too, is child abuse! It's betrayal after betrayal of trust probably of the worst kind.
At 21:53 screen dump text: “In 1994, Saina and Mirriam were moved to another Sea Org facility for children. It was called Canyon Oaks Ranch, or PAC Ranch.”
At 22:17 Saina Kamula: “And this teacher comes with us.”
At 22:19 Leah Remini: “The child molester comes... follows you to the ranch.”
At 22:22 Saina Kamula: “Correct. There were times when, you know, I would raise my hand and he'd come over and put his hand right underneath my armpit. Kind of inch it towards, you know, my nipple and... Sometimes just, you know, caress my back, and just to remind me, you know, he's still there.”
The same consideration has be placed here, why this person was never caught while undergoing these sec checking procedures that we are told were occurring all the time? As with Mirriam Francis the same things went on for longer periods of time. The same sequences of abuse were repeating themselves over time. How could this possibly have been missed?
Mirriam Francis’ aftermath
At 28:19 from dump screen text: “When she was 12 years old, Mirriam's father arrived for an unexpected visit.”
At 28:20 Mirriam Francis: “He said, ‘I need, to talk to Mirriam alone,’ and he told my brothers to stand aside and wait. I immediately knew that this could be something connected to the sexual abuse.”
At 28:43: “‘I've got to tell you something’. Um... ‘When you were about three to four years old, I was intoxicated at the time, I had been drinking, I put my penis between your legs. I did not penetrate you. That's what happened’.
And I felt it odd at the time, the way that he delivered these, they were... he was delivering them as statements. There was no emotion. There was no emotion to it either. It was very prepared. I couldn't bear this conversation at all.
He said, ‘Do you forgive me?’ And I said, ‘Yes’. Again, trying to get this conversation over and done with.
Then as we're leaving and he's giving us a hug good-bye, he says, ‘Act normal’. It's what he instructs me. ‘Act normal’.”
At 29:33 Leah Remini: “Your dad told you, gave up this confession to you... not because he had, a heavy heart... of what he had done.”
At 29:43 Mirriam Francis: “He was instructed to tell me.”
At 29:44 Leah Remini: “For the purpose of what?”
At 29:45 Mirriam Francis: “He's on clearance lines, which means he's trying to be qualified to go up the upper level, which is where my mother is. So he's doing that process and in that, that is very heavy confessionals. ... In these confessionals, the sexual abuse has come up, and he ends up confessing to this. Now what they would have done is told him he needs to do a handling on this, where they will list specific steps for him to do.”
He probably had to do his so-called eligibility to be allowed to commence doing New OT VIII. Not sure what these people are doing. If you can not honestly have remorse, and you are only doing this confession to get it out of your way. Then how eligible are you really for proceeding?
At 30:21 Mirriam Francis: “I then suffer some of the worst of the trauma is following this, from about age 12 to age 17, because it's the not knowing. And who do I go to? And I can't even talk about this. When I was in the Sea Organization at 13 years old, I used to lock myself in the toilets, and I would cry and cry and cry.
And they started auditing me, um, and that's when they also labeled me a potential trouble source. Because... it means that I'm failing, I'm struggling with something, and it means that there's a suppressive person who is making me that way, and we need to then discover who this suppressive person is.
They say, ‘Who is this suppressive person?’ And I say, ‘It's my dad,’ and the auditor... he actually chuckles, and he says, ‘Ha, that can't be right. He's a Sea Org member. Pick someone else’.”
That's may be what they do, but Scientology it is certainly not! It is a very serious breach of the Auditor's Code. This ‘auditor’ should not even have a certificate...
“1.
I promise not to evaluate for the preclear or tell him what he should think about his case in session.” LRH (consult all of them here, pop-up window)
(from HCO PL 14 Oct 68 “The Auditor's Code, AD18”)
At 31:10 Leah Remini: “They weren't even concerned with what Mirriam was saying. Just that she was accusing another Sea Org member or Scientologist of doing these things. That's what they were concerned with. That is, what the policies of Scientology are concerned with. You can not attack any Scientologist or Sea Org member. That's what's so crazy. This little girl is saying, ‘My dad is hurting me,’ and they're saying, ‘Go f*** yourself’.”
The outcome for the abusers:
At 42:23 screen dump text: “According to the Church of Scientology, after they learned about Mirriam's abuse in 2002, her father was dismissed from the Sea Organization.”
This is interesting. had the Church not learned about his already through the confessionals and his eligibility for New OT VIII? And now they suddenly dismiss him? Go figure.
At 42:31 screen dump text: “Saina's molester is still an active and respected member of the Church of Scientology.”
Wow, and he could stay, how come? It is because Mirriam Francis had taken judicial actions against her abuser and Saina Kamula had not? It this only about protecting the repute of the Church? One gets the impression it is.
‘The Ultimate Failure of Scientology’ (s2e02 - 22 Aug 2017)
[Wiki: The show tells the stories of two Scientologists who suffered from depression and suicidal ideation before they killed themselves, having gone untreated because Scientology does not believe in mental illness.]
I did and wrote my resumé for this episode reluctantly. Why? Because it is sad, and what happened essentially would have been unnecessary.
Suicide and workability of a technology
At 5:15 Mike Rinder: “Scientology promises people that it has the answers to everything. All of life, every part of your existence can be analyzed, resolved, and made better by Scientology. And clearly, the ultimate failure of that is when someone commits suicide.”
At 5:37 Leah Remini: “Right. If you are suicidal in the Church of Scientology, you actually get in trouble for those feelings. So you're gonna suppress that and hide those feelings if you want to remain in Scientology. So there's a lot of things that add to people being suicidal in Scientology or depressed in Scientology. But they learn very early on to suppress those feelings.”
A strange notion. This is a choice that people make for their own. Why do you get into Scientology, to then hide a problem you wanted to solve?
“I don't expect auditors or Scientologists to instantly agree with or seize upon whatever I say. I would be offended if they did and would feel they weren't a Free People. Since they are intelligent I expect them to think over what's said, try it, and if it's good for them, use it. ... In organizations and out I count upon initiative and good judgment.” LRH (from ‘PAB* 79’, 10 Apr 56 “The Open Channel: What Do I Think of Auditors?”)
“For no man has any monopoly upon the wisdom of this universe. It belongs to those who can use it to help themselves and others.” LRH (from “My Philosophy” [ca 1965])
“We have some time since passed the point of achieving uniformly workable technology.” LRH (from HCO PL 7 Feb 65 “Keeping Scientology Working”)
Consider instead the notion if we today still have a “uniformly working technology” that is called Scientology? Because “If you can't get the technology applied then you can't deliver what's promised.” The scene that we see today with Scientology or the Church is not at all as it was in the earlier years. More about this can be consulted at link here below: (separate window)
The story of Marie Bilheimer (suicide1) (Incl.: No party time allowances?; Mandatory divorce?)
At 6:18: “I'm Marie Bilheimer. I was born into Scientology and I was a member for 30 years.”
At 7:07: “I ended up joining the Sea Org when I was 15.”
At 7:57 Leah Remini: “So you joined the Sea Org at 15 and then you get married at 16. To another Sea Org member.”
At 8:04 Marie Bilheimer: “Yes. His name was Aaron.”
At 8:06 Leah Remini: “How old was he?”
At 8:07 Marie Bilheimer: “17. I met Aaron when I was newly into the Sea Org. He'd been there longer than I had. He had been in the Cadet Org.”
At 8:12:
At 8:42 Marie Bilheimer: “So when he and I first met, we were at the same level. Eventually, I got promoted, and he would get demoted. He would just get caught doing, like, I don't know, sleeping in some room. Or, like, just not showing up. And it ended up where we were at different echelons, where I was at one base that was higher, and he was still back at the... at PAC Base, where we originally started.”
They were married, did they share a room? It says at 9:18, “in his dorm”, which does not give the impression that they did. It was their right to share a room!
At 9:18 Marie Bilheimer: “I remember one time, like, him and two of the other guys in his dorm got caught with an Eminem CD. It was like, ‘You're not allowed to listen to that’.”
Wow, that's crazy. I played what I wanted in Mimeo Flag. One time a missionairy commented, while I was not there, that the music was entheta*. I was immediately thinking, “Then confront entheta!”. I continued playing as I chose, and nothing ever happened. Of course nowadays we have various hate oriented music/texts that would not be suitable. But Eminem and what I listened to does not fall into that category. The song that the missionairy responded to was Deep Purple's “Space Truckin’” from the live ‘Made in Japan’ album.
No party time allowances?
At 9:40 Marie Bilheimer: “Then for a period... maybe nine months or a year... I was in training at Flag in Florida. And while I was gone, he had kind of gotten into trouble. He went out to, like, an 18-and-older nightclub and was dancing, and it was like a couple of other guys...”
At 9:59 Leah Remini: “Wait a minute, he's 18 years old and he's going dancing.”
At 10:04 Marie Bilheimer: “Yeah. It was totally not allowed.”
Wow! Why? Why do neither Leah Remini or Mike Rinder inquire why that was not allowed. Mike Rinder calls it only at 10:09: “That's a big crime.”. Sorry, that is just rubbish, at Flag we went with the whole FRO org dancing after seeing a movie in the cinema (the org paid for food and everything). The CO (Liz Astrupgaard) even pushed me on the dance floor (me who doesn't like dancing).
At 10:31 Leah Remini: “But the way that children are treated in the Sea Org is that there is one goal, and that is to clear the planet. And anything that goes on beyond that is unacceptable.”
There is no policy or guidelines in Scientology that says or directs any such thing. It is wholly made up. I was staff at Flag during the late 80s, if people wanted to go dancing, they went out and danced. There was no such control there at that time that I recall. PAC seems that it was caught up in typical crazy sect behaviourals.
Mandatory divorce?
At 11:23 Mike Rinder: “At higher echelons of Scientology, the public image of those people is considered to be extremely important. And that includes their spouses. If their spouse is someone who is considered to be a... sort of a lowlife or a low-level person, that's unacceptable. And thus, there is pressure brought to bear to find yourself another spouse.”
This became an issue at such a time when some person was promoted to go up-lines (international management something), but the spouse could not join as he/she was not considered qualified. This way it was breaking up marriages. I remember a girl coming into Mimeo at Flag, asking for a reference there she did not have to be separated from her husband. As such there was no such reference, but you do have the references about the second dynamic. You have the first dynamic, which is self, the second dynamic, family relations, children, sex, then third dynamic, the group. You will not function well on the third dynamic if there are disturbances on either the first and/or the second dynamic. This argument should suffice. Also you have the right to place conditions, demands, and say no. Commonly one did not dare doing that.
At 11:59 Marie Bilheimer: “But he felt that he was holding me back.”
At 12:20: “We went through a period of a lot of struggles between us.”
At 12:38: “‘... and he had gotten a ticket.’ ‘and pulled over’ because ‘he didn't want to drive’.”
At 12:56: “And he needed to go to court and take care of it somehow. And he was concerned about that 'cause explaining that to your org, you would get in trouble.”
Then apparently her husband, Aaron Poulin, sadly could not bear the pressure and killed himself.
At this time the Church aimed for damage control. There was no consolation for Marie Bilheimer either.
At 15:33 Marie Bilheimer: “And I had no one to comfort me. There was nobody. Like, there were people, but there was nobody. They all walked away from me. They looked at me like I was awkward. Like, what do we do with this person? Right? Everyone was looking at me, and it was so awkward. And I'm standing there alone, and there's 25 people around, and they just wanted to make sure that the police got their questions answered in the right way.
They just monitor it from a PR aspect to make sure that police get the questions they need and it gets shut down. And no more questions are asked, and it goes away. And nobody else hears about it.”
That's all very nice of course. The only concern is a flap on the lines that damages the repute of the Church...
At 19:40 Marie Bilheimer: “I did end up finding the ticket that Aaron had previously told me about ... And I pull it out and I look at it, and I'm like, ‘It says prostitution’. He was prostituting. I don't know if he was struggling with his sexuality, if he was gay or... He never communicated anything like that to me, but... He wouldn't be allowed to. and he was born and raised essentially in the Sea Org, and anything other than being straight and in a regular... relationship is wrong.”
At 21:14 Leah Remini: “They looked at him as somebody who was undesirable as a Scientologist and as a Sea Org member. They didn't have compassion for him and what he had been raised in. They created a person who felt he couldn't communicate to his church. He couldn't communicate to his wife. He felt tremendous guilt for whatever he was going through. Because the Church of Scientology is not a compassionate one. It doesn't say, ‘How are you feeling? Let us hold you, let us help you through this’.”
Probably a correct assessment. Yes, there is really not much compassion in the atmosphere. It is calculative throughout! The attitude, on the overall, is to guard one's own interests and benefits.
At 22:50: screen dump text: “In 2004, two months after Aaron died, Marie left the Sea Org. In 2010, she left Scientology.”
It would appear Aaron Poulin found himself trapped. He grew up in Scientology, was in the Cadet org. Then had to struggle with his identity and/or sexual orientation/matters. The Church is very strict about that, and he appears to have felt he could not talk with anyone about that. Adding to the precarity of the situation was that his marriage was going to be broken. He must have felt he had no way out.
The story of Lauren Haggis (suicide2)
At 24:12 Leah Remini: “So we're gonna go talk to Lauren Haggis, 'cause her friend Tayler, who is a Scientologist, committed suicide.”
At 25:16: “I'm Lauren Haggis. I was born into Scientology. My dad's Paul Haggis. He's a producer, writer, director. He was one of the first celebrities in Scientology who became public about leaving.”
Tayler Tweed is the other person discussed in the episode of the TV show that took her own life. She writes in a Facebook message at 40:26 that [I] was “12 years old when I joined the sea org.” At which time she was apparently already suicidal writing: “I'd rather die than feel this.” This was never properly addressed or dealt with.
The outward impression she however made according to Lauren Haggis was:
At 27:00: “She was a firecracker. She was really sweet, but intense. I mean, those were the two words that best describe her. She wasn't, like, a negative person. She was just assertive or really sweet and bubbly. Like, that's... just was. If she didn't like something, she told you right to your face. So she was just herself.”
Tayler Tweed's mother is acting out at 38:28:
At 39:21 Lauren Haggis: “Tayler's mom said, ‘I am at peace with my daughter's decision’. It was, like, a week after she killed herself. ‘I'm at peace with my daughter's decision’.”
Cathy Tweed is talking about herself, not her daughter, but herself! Ain't that interesting...
At 39:29 Mike Rinder: “This is a microcosm of the Scientology prison of belief and mindset that makes it acceptable to destroy someone for the greater good. We have to do what L. Ron Hubbard says to do so we're gonna disconnect from you, despite your emotional problems. That belief system is toxic. It is dangerous. And ultimately, it's deathly.”
Then stop insisting turning something in a belief system when it isn't, never was, and never will be! Scientology was not created like that. If Mike Rinder insists and others with him, then it is solely and only their own decision and making! A detailed study about these matters can be consulted at link here below: (separate window)
At 40:04 Leah Remini: “Her mother told her friends to publically disconnect from her. That's what her mother said. The mother was applying Scientology.”
Ironically on the same website page, at the time the scan was taken and used in the TV show, we find this quote in the left upper corner: “What is true for you is what you have observed yourself. And when you lose that, you have lost everything.” L. Ron Hubbard.
Now..., did this mother really apply “what you have observed yourself”?
At 40:52 Leah Remini: “You have to step up. You have to take responsibility for what you're saying to people. The mental health profession should have issue with Scientology promoting itself as the cure for mental illness.”
Scientology has no issue with nor interest to cure mental illness as such. Scientology wasn't created for people suffering from that. Nothing is said however about that some processes could not benefit a person.
Video clip from interview with L. Ron Hubbard, filmed 1966
‘The ‘Perfect’ Scientology Family’ (s2e03 - 29 Aug 2017)
[Wiki: After being raised as a third-generation Scientologist, Philip Gale, a brilliant computer science student, jumped to his death at the age of 19. Remini and Rinder meet his sister Liz, who relates his experiences with the Church.]
At 1:14 Elizabeth Gale: “This a story about the perfect Scientology family. I can't even imagine my family without Scientology. I mean, my parents met at a Church of Scientology. My brother was accepted to MIT at 15, and he was a poster child for L. Ron Hubbard's study technology. We had three generations of healthy, smart, capable people applying Scientology to the best of their ability. And at the end of the day, it destroyed us.”
At 5:13: “I'm Elizabeth Gale, and I was born into Scientology, and I left the church in 2007.”
Mechanics or blame?
At 11:47 Scientology promo video: “As an unborn child, you're very easily hurt. You're not protected by fully formed bones, and there's no room to move. And when you're experiencing pain, everything being perceived is recorded as an engram*.”
At 12:01 Leah Remini: “So the things said and done around a pregnant woman have a considerable effect on an unborn child. So the mother usually is the blame when a child is acting out because the mother is what's considered a restimulator to the child. So if the child's acting out, the mother was taught that it was her fault because you activate bad memories for your child because of the things that you did when your child was in your womb.”
There is no blame factor as such. There is only a relay of the mechanics!
At 12:43 Leah Remini: “So if they're children, you know, they're children. You know, they're acting up, they're crying, they're battling you at every turn, like kids do. The Scientologist parent would think, I'm restimulating that child.”
If a kid behaves like Leah Remini describes, why would a “Scientology parent” think that? There is an increased awareness of the “Scientology parent”, but that is as far as it goes. There is no blame or self-blame factor!
At 14:12 Leah Remini: “So between the ages of four and eight, your brother was acting like a child. And your mother believed, from her Scientology teachings, that it was actually because of her.”
At 14:23 Elizabeth Gale: “Yeah, exactly. But I know my mother loved us. She just applied the technology. She believed that she had to give him the best chance by giving him away from her to the best next place, which would be... a Scientology school.”
Why not deal with the problem and run out the cause in processing?! Now, that then she would have “applied the technology”! When with sending her son away is not!
At 14:49:
Keep in mind “At age 8”!
At 15:42 Leah Remini: “So he goes to Delphi boarding school until what age?”
At 15:46 Elizabeth Gale: “Till he graduated, 14. Yeah. He came home for breaks and stuff like that, but he never lived with us.
I mean, it's laid out in ‘Dianetics’. Eight years old is the time to start clearing a child. If you believe that your child has engrams or is restimulated, just keep him cool until eight years old, when you can get in there and crack at their case.”
This Elizabeth Gale just acknowledges here that her brother did not need to have been send away from the family. He was send to a boarding school for claimed “mother” “restimulating that child” reasons “At age 8,” when one could have “get in there and crack at their case.” Then why did they not do that instead of sending their son away?!
At 16:14:
Why is no one responding to this? Not Leah Remini, not Mike Rinder, not even Elizabeth Gale who even said the words!
At 15:52 Elizabeth Gale: “I also was sent to boarding school at eight.”
At 16:20 Leah Remini: “At eight years old, you're, too, sent to have a school raise you. And how did you respond to that?”
At 16:30 Elizabeth Gale: “Once you send your child away... That gap is created. You are on your own now. It was really overwhelming, and I wasn't ready for it. And so I probably called home crying... every day. When I look back later, our childhoods were hard. You just can't raise kids like that and expect for them to be okay. Like, you just can't.”
Wow! Elizabeth was also send from home “at eight”, now why was she not“cleared” as the book Dianetics directed? Hmmm...
At 17:04 screen dump text: “In October 1995, Liz and Philips's father died suddenly of a heart attack.”
At 17:23 Elizabeth Gale: “I was 12.”
At 18:13: “We went to Flag... I remember this... we went to Flag after my dad died. And they did, like, a little handling with me at that time. I remember being told that dying on OT V was a very unfortunate side effect, but it happened. That's what a Sea Org member told me. Who would sign up for OT V, if a side effect is dropping dead? Like, why didn't they tell us this before he paid, whatever, $40,000 to take this course? If the whole point is to become this powerful being who's completely in charge of his body, how could you just die? That doesn't make sense.”
The actual spontaneous reaction of Mike Rinder to this says it all at 18:20-18:28:
They are making up a lot of stuff that staff say. See, that is what people do. I have seen this a lot in the Church. I do have a recall of having heard the rumour that some people could drop dead doing some level, it was explained with that something had been missed on the person. In any case it was a fatal fail of the auditor and the C/S*. If that happened at Flag they were in real trouble, I remember instances.
At 18:51 Elizabeth Gale: “So at 12, I started to not get it. I just thought, this is what took my parents away. This is where all of our money has gone.”
She withdrew from Scientology, naturally...
At 20:31: screen dump text: “Liz Gale claims that, at that this time, her mother left her to be cared for by a stranger so that she could go work with the Sea Org, which Liz's mother denies.”
At 20:34 Elizabeth Gale: “When she left, it was one of those, ‘Oh, I'll be back in just two weeks’. And it just went on and on... and I felt very abandoned. I felt... angry. She basically was saying, ‘I'm done being a mom. There's something bigger, something better for me to be doing’. ... She just left.”
The mother basically abandoned her child.
At 21:10 Elizabeth Gale: “And at that point, I had signed my Sea Org contract too. So... that was looming at that time. In the afternoons, I took my courses at CC Int, right? So I would walk down there, and there's a 15-minute break in between the afternoon sessions. And that's your only break. So during that break time is when you get recruited to join the Sea Org. And it was just relentless. Every day, every day. And I just wanted to have my 15 minute break. So once you had signed your contract, they couldn't recruit you anymore. So I signed it, crying. You know, here I am at 14 years old, signing a billion-year contract.”
I wouldn't dispute this, it was all the time a hunt to sign up people for Sea Org. I saw it (less harsh) in local Class IV organizations, I saw it at AOSH EH in Denmark, they just would not let you be. At Flag staff from time to time staff was sent out to take surveys on the public. One of the questions read if they could consider joining the Sea Org. I remember leaving a positive reaction on that at my org and the chase was basically on. I have personally never seen people hunting down minors, but I am not surprised.
At 21:50: “And you just kind of spin out of control. Then you feel even more alone. You know? And like... I actually... tried to commit suicide when I was 14. I just felt really hopeless. I felt like the path that had been picked for me was set in stone. I just didn't want to live that life anymore. There's only so many things you can do in Scientology that are, like... will get you out of where you are, and attempting suicide is one of them, you know? So much pressure all the time.”
Her brother Philip Gale also had issues with the passing of their father. Elizabeth Gale mentions that he was also dissatisfied. There were issues while working for Earthlink that was run by Scientologists.
At 26:40 Elizabeth Gale: “My brother had a girlfriend... got a girlfriend there who also worked at Earthlink, who was a little bit older and was not a Scientologist. They were concerned because his girlfriend had some qualms about Scientology that she had shared with him and vice versa. They were talking to him about his girlfriend and trying to make sure that he wasn't falling into any anti-Scientology stuff.
So you're living on your own at 16 and having a lot of grown-ups depend on you. You know, there's pressure in that. My brother was done with the bullshit, and he just wanted to get out of that environment. And he chose to go back to MIT.”
At 28:45:
At 29:20 screen dump text: “On March 13, 1998, a year and a half after he returned to MIT, Philip Gale entered an empty classroom on the 15th floor of the Green Building [Boston].”
At 29:35 Elizabeth Gale: “And he wrote the mathematical equation for his body weight times the velocity times the distance he would fall.”
At 29:48 news reader: “19-year-old Philip Gale jumped off a building.”
At 30:18 screen dump text: “At 7:28 PM, Philip fell 15 stories to his death, he was 19 years old.”
Coincidentally he jumped on the day of birth of L. Ron Hubbard. Was that intentionally or just a coincidence. We don't know for sure.
Elizabeth Gale's take of it:
At 30:23: “For him to jump out of that window, when everything seems like it could've been avoided, you know? Like, you don't have to do any of this anymore. You don't have to do it. But we aren't told that growing up. We aren't told that there's another way to live. We are told... that if you reject Scientology, you will lose.”
He left a suicide note which Leah Remini is showing and reading. An excerpt:
At 31:50: “Yes, it is odd. To tell you why would be to tell you my mind. I cannot do this. I am not crazy, albeit driven to suicide. It is not about any single event or person. It is about stubborn sadness, and a detached view of the world. ...
Try to understand that this is about me and my fucked up ideas. It is not because I was raised poorly or not cared for enough. It just is.”
At 32:50 Leah Remini: “Even here, he thinks he has fucked up thinking. And he was questioning things, he was questioning his ideas, and he was never able to deal with the pain of losing his dad. He was never able to deal with his depression. He was never able to deal with that. And so this says everything that someone feels when they question what they were forced to believe. That they are bad. And that it was him who was fucked up.”
Leah Remini turns the blame on Scientology. Both Elizabeth and Philip per what is shared on this episode of the TV show, that they were sensitive children, who at the age of eight years old were send away to a boarding school, when there was no real reason to do that.
I wonder, did Leah Remini, Mike Rinder, Elizabeth Gale and any other really miss that it were the parents that send the children away to boarding school?! Scientology did not do that, nor an assumed reason or motivator could justify that...
Family legacy lost, who to blame
At 5:13 Elizabeth Gale: “Because I have publicly denounced Scientology, I'm rejecting my family's legacy, is what I was told.”
At 6:05: “My family came across on the Oregon Trail. My great-great grandparents homesteaded it. And they worked really hard. And then my grandparents and my great-grandparents bought additional parcels. And my whole life, I was proud of it and had been told that it's, you know, our family heritage.”
At 39:26: “This land has been part of my family for 110 years. I've lived here for the past seven years and moved out here under the impression that it was gonna stay in our family But since I've rejected Scientology, I had to choose I'd gotten every other aspect of it out of my life. 'Cause I want it out of my life. And unfortunately, there was no way to still have my mom and no way to still have this property... if I'm not for Scientology. I reached out to her and asked her, you know, what about the boys? Because they didn't do anything wrong.”
At 40:22: “She said I'd rejected the family legacy. And that... that was that. And the boys wouldn't get it. I'm not gonna get it, and the property is actually going on the market shortly. That makes me very sad to know that something that's been in your family for so long is being sold.”
At 40:47 Leah Remini: “You know, all of this destruction. All of this destruction is Scientology. In the end, this family lost it all. The whole family has disintegrated because of Scientology. That's a fact.”
Wow, and according to Leah Remini we are all sitting ducks. Scientology did not do this. Losing the land was the mother's decision and no one else's! We do not learn even what the grandparents think of this.
At 41:54 Elizabeth Gale: “If Scientology worked, then I wouldn't be here, because we had three generations of healthy, smart, capable people applying Scientology to the best of their ability. It ended up in death, in suicide, in loss.”
An organization, a Church or a Scientology does not have that power if it was not given! There was already an early break up of the family, both children send away to boarding schools at the age of eight, for (erroneous) ideas that the parents had! The father died, suddenly, which appears to have been a disaster for both children. Then the mother left to Sea Org knowingly abandoning her daughter. Did an organization do all that?
The question has to be, if Scientology was applied, would the outcome have been as it has folded out?
‘The Bridge to Total Freedom’ (s2e04 - 5 Sept 2017)
[Wiki: In the first of four special episodes, Remini, Rinder and guests discuss Scientology's 'Bridge to Total Freedom' and Scientology doctrine, including the Operating Thetan (OT) levels.]
At 0:38 Leah Remini: “Today, we're gonna talk about the Bridge to Total Freedom.”
At 0:58 Mike Rinder: “It is a delineated path that every Scientologist must follow.”
At 1:02 Leah Remini: “Must follow?”
At 1:03 Mike Rinder: “Must.”
There is no must. This is why you got into Scientology, you simply want it. It is becoming silly to talk about “must” at every turn...
At 1:32:
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At 1:21 Mike Rinder: “There are two sides to this Bridge. One side is the auditing, which is the counseling that you receive. And the other side is the training, which teaches you to be a Scientology auditor or counselor.”
Reactive mind and state of Clear
At 2:07: Mike Rinder: “‘Dianetics’ is considered the book one of the entire subject, and it is held in reverence by all Scientologists. It is the foundation of everything that followed in Scientology.”
At 2:36 Mike Rinder: “The theory of Dianetics is very clever. It says, ‘Whatever your problems are, whether you're upset, whether you have pains, you have sensations, you have emotions and things that you don't like, it's not your fault.’ There is this reactive mind that you have.”
At 2:55 Leah Remini: “That's below your conscious mind. [subconscious]”
At 3:12 Mike Rinder: “The idea then becomes that you can eradicate your reactive mind and become what's known in Scientology as a Clear. And Clear in Scientology is the most important step to be achieved for everybody.”
The goal was Clear, but the research was still ongoing since L. Ron Hubbard gave that interview in 1966, that is shown on the TV show. There were indications that the Dianetic Clear wasn't stable. L. Ron Hubbard addresses this on a lecture he gave 21 Jun 70. He concludes that “the type of Clear which you are looking for is a Scientology Clear and not a Dianetic Clear.” LRH. Consult in text and sound here (separate window)
It is interesting that Mike Rinder doesn't say a thing about it. Interesting also because this Scientology Clear has been set aside by the Church since 1978. Virtually no one is going that road since then. During 1978-82 we see that the original Bridge was simply replaced with another. Do I even have to point out that this lecture from jun 70 is not available in the Church! We have all the indications that we are dealing with a hijack of the original bridge as it stood tall and complete in 1970.
Another thing to realize is that Mike Rinder tells about that Dianetics is vital. The thing is that the original Bridge started with Dianetics, by the end of 1981 it was suddenly sort of placed out of reach. They let you do first really a lot of other things, this for silly inexplicable reasons. At this point, and since 1978, the Bridge has become buyer aware!
“So technical progress has been:
CLASS VIII - 1968.
COMPLETE DIANETICS - 1969.
COMPLETE SCIENTOLOGY - 1970.” LRH (from ‘LRH ED 117 Int’, 26 Aug 70 “Current Cases”)
At 3:57 Mike Rinder: “In order to help us navigate our way through the complexities of the Bridge in Scientology, we have a number of experts that are gonna join us today.”
At 4:06 Mike Rinder: “The first of which was a very highly trained auditor, and he held a very senior position in the Scientology hierarchy to oversee people moving up the Bridge all over the world. His name is Bruce Hines, and he was formally in what's called the Senior CS International Office of Scientology.”
Quite frankly, I do not know this person. He wasn't any public figure in the Church.
At 4:22 screen dump text “Bruce Hines: 31 years in Scientology, Class IX Auditor, OT VI”
At 4:41 Bruce Hines: “So I started in Denver, Colorado in 1972, and then I joined the Sea Organization in 1979. [24 years in SO]”
At 4:56 Leah Remini: “In your 24 years, what did you think you were attaining?”
At 5:01 Bruce Hines: “That I would have perfect memory... wouldn't get sick very much, if at all.”
At 5:07 Leah Remini: “Why did you think that?”
At 5:08 Bruce Hines: “L. Ron Hubbard says it over and over again.”
At 5:25 video clip L. Ron Hubbard 1966: “The reason Scientology's assumptions are... can be considered to be true is because they work, and Scientology is totally a workable science.”
The book Dianetics does follow a scientific premise. The first chapter is all about a prognosis, one then sets out to achieve and prove the prognosis. All of science operates on such a premise! This is really not well understood by the general public that is outside of the scientific community!
Leah Remini and Mike Rinder selling their story(Incl.: The examiner)
At 5:35 Bruce Hines: “He promised I would have supernatural abilities. You know, I'd be able to move objects with my mind. I'd be able to communicate with people telepathically. That's what the big promise is.”
Wow! And where exactly does L. Ron Hubbard say these things? As I haven't seen it... May be Bruce Hines got it from here (separate window).
At 5:48 Leah Remini: “So L. Ron Hubbard is selling that and people are buying that, and that is what people believe, and that is why they stay.”
At 5:55 Mike Rinder: “Absolutely correct.”
This to me is extravagantly naïve. It is totally not what Scientology was about from its outset, but this is what people came to believe over time. Such things never interested me. I wasn't there for that!
The examiner
At 6:18 Leah Remini: “I think it's pretty important for us to set up for our audience that you were forced to write success stories at each level that we complete. And each Scientologist says, ‘Yes, that happened.’ I mean, I did it, you did it.”
Rubbish, you don't have to write a success story. You're asked if you want, but you don't have to. I very rarely did. Leah Remini, what áre you talking about?! After each session you go to see this examiner*, and he is there to check/establish (independently from the auditor) that you are well. If not, you go right back into session. But you also go to this examiner to attest a completion of something.
At 6:30 Mike Rinder: “You basically sign, saying, ‘I accomplished that thing.’ But if you say, ‘I don't really feel like I accomplished that,’ you have to pay to now do something else
to find out why you didn't achieve that.”
Sorry, that is certainly not true! I can only conclude that Leah Remini and Mike Rinder are selling their own take on matters.
At 6:47: “People learn very quickly, though, Leah. They learn it's smarter to go, ‘Oh, yeah, I achieved that.’”
Now, whó does that? What is the use being in Scientology if you fake stuff and do false attestations? Again, whó does that! I for one never did. Mike Rinder thinks that with that mind set you ‘Clear a planet’ something? Thís is what he stayed on for all these years in the Church? Wow-wow-wow!
At 10:33 Mike Rinder: “You start out in Scientology usually, if you haven't been raised in it, with doing a test. A stress test is sitting down with an E-meter, and having someone locate an area of stress in your life using the E-meter, and that test is used to then tell you that Scientology has the answers for whatever your problems are.”
This is something from later years. I am only accustomed with that people are asked to fill out a questionnaire with 200 questions, after which you get the results explained. (OCA test)
At 11:07 Leah Remini: “It sets up that this E-meter, invented by L. Ron Hubbard, is the thing to believe, and that's an important moment for a person to start to believe in this meter.”
At 11:19 Mike Rinder: “Absolutely. The belief in the E-meter is an absolute requirement to progressing up the Bridge, because the E-meter is fundamental to all Scientology counseling.”
First out, L. Ron Hubbard did nót invent the E-meter. Why is Leah Remini stating this?
The E-meter is a tool, it is not a belief device! True is that the E-meter is important.
Here they talk on the TV show about completing an auditing action. Leah Remini asks at 16:47 “What's next?”:
At 16:49 Mike Rinder: “You have to go sit down and provide a success story.”
Really? There is no “have to”!
At 16:56 Leah Remini to Bruce Hines: “Have you ever in your career in Scientology ever had a person say, ‘I did not achieve these things. It's a lie’? ”
At 17:02 Bruce Hines: “Yeah.”
At 17:03 Leah Remini: “And what happened?”
At 17:05 Bruce Hines: “They got declared. So, basically, it's one of the things that L. Ron Hubbard wrote. If you don't experience gains from auditing, the only people that can't experience gain are SPs, or Suppressive People.”
Excuse me? Isn't this a bit well presumptuous? This is certainly not the first response you would expect to get from a trained auditor, in this case even a Class IX Auditor, because such a person would know better. Not reaching an end phenomena of a process does not mean the person does, did or can not “experience gains from auditing”. Anyhow, the person undergoing auditing is not to blame, it is the auditor that would be scrutinized, that are the rules! See, an upset person would say things like that, which is an indication that something was missed or incorrectly handled by the auditor in session. Bruce Hines could at least have commented here that one should first inquire how things went with the examiner.
Anyhow Leah Remini immediately picks up on Bruce Hines' response:
17:40: “And so L. Ron Hubbard has... he made sure that there was an answer for that. ‘It didn't work on you because you're an evil person.’”
17:48 Bruce Hines: “Yeah, it's nothing to do with his technology. There's nothing wrong with it.”
17:52 Leah Remini: “There's something wrong with you. The paying customer.”
Right, “nothing to do with his technology. There's nothing wrong with it.”. Now, what about a misapplication of the auditor of that “technology”? Did you think about that one, Bruce Hines?
Someone should also explain the likeliness that such an SP would become a “paying customer”. If you go over the characteristics of the SP it turns very silly to assume such a person would.
Is this TV show a children's game of sorts? It present matters so amazingly simplified here that it turns utterly absurd! It surely is selling a nice story in this episode of the TV show! Leah Remini, Mike Rinder and a little help of my friends, Bruce Hines. We'll wait and see if the public is buying...
I knew this guy from Amsterdam org. Then I saw him in the hall of the Fort Harrsion hotel at Flag. I sat down with him and we spoke. A person with financial resources that had paid in a lot of money. Problem was that he was not progressing on the Bridge whatever auditing he received, he could not pass Grade 0 or 1 something. At Flag the promo always said they could handle any case, and so he went there. He confided to me that he still had no success in his auditing. At this point in time, he told me, they were discussing to kick him out of the Church, or even declare him, because if Flag could not crack his case... I recall other persons that were stalled at Flag, and various staff were talking among each other that he or she might be a suppressive person or something. I thought it was a strange notion, these public were there and paying were they not?
Reverse Bridge vs cost
On the TV show it proof runs so-called Grade processing. It starts with “Grade Zero” at 15:37 and closes off at 20:00. A problem is that they run here a reverse Bridge. On the original Bridge the Grades were developed to stabilize the advantages one has had with Dianetics processing. You are not flat on the end phenomena's that are listed for each Grade level, as you have not run Dianetics. I did Dianetics first, finished in about 25 hours. All the Grades I did in less than 2 hours. On the TV show they estimate for the Grades (at 20:04) requiring 8 intensives, which is (8x12½) 100 hours already just for Grades. See, it makes for a much longer haul like that. Are you getting it now?!
Mike Rinder says at 16:42 that, “$5,000 for a 12½ hour intensive is a pretty conservative estimate.”. But per what criteria? These pricings by the way are actually off! This is not as directed per policy letters. I addressed this in brief in season 1/episode 3, see “Cost for services)”. For actual calculations see here (separate window). According to that, today, more correct would be at least one third of that cost per intensive.
OT levels (Incl.: OT III; New OT V; New OT VII)
At 21:30 Mike Rinder: “This idea of what the OT Levels are, every Scientologist believes that they are going to achieve powers that are beyond this world. That they are going to be able to cause changes in the world around you by projecting your intention, your OT powers, whatever.”
Well, once again, Scientology is not about that...
The important haul is Scientology Clear, which is placed out of reach and almost not achieved anymore. The original OT levels were short cycles and originally inexpensive. It is odd to realize all this changed since 1978. Various of them were replaced with entirely different actions, this was the case for OT IV to OT VIII. That's why they were called New OT IV-VIII. suddenly they now took lots and lots of time, which also cashed in much better for the Church.
I have a list of this here (separate window). Watch the text in red.
OT III
At 22:35 Leah Remini: “The L. Ron Hubbard Policy is you need to get to OT III quick. Because there's danger of being in the middle zone.”
Yes, there is an issue with that when you have erased the basic reactive mind, that things stored at an earlier time on your time track get more prominent. The thing is that because of the changes in the original Bridge dating to 1978 that people are not able to run out the basic reactive mind anymore. So, here it gets to, why the hurry? Another problem is that you can only run that which is in reach. For many not having achieved Scientology Clear this is a problem, as it can not be properly reached, hence there is nothing to run.
At 23:47 Leah Remini: “Bruce, what is OT III?”
At 23:48 Bruce Hines: “It's basically a type of exorcism. You are removing from your body, or attached to you in some way, spiritual beings that are stuck there, and they're stuck there, because of an incident that happened 75 million years ago.”
Here we have come to the Xenu story that has been reaching the Internet in various ways. The thing one has to keep in mind is that it is a tale that, as it appeared, would have been stored in the memory banks of many members of mankind. That's all basically that one needs to know about it. Auditing means you remove the mental charge attached to it, and then it ends there. It is nothing that one is supposed to believe or take as an actual happening. See, that is all irrelevant. You just run out the charge off of it. Imagine and realize that in 1974 the cost of doing this particular level was $875, and would take various weeks. The thing is that it required you to have properly done the whole earlier Bridge, which took some work. Not money wise, but rather effort wise.
There is an additional funny thing about this regarding the confidentially of it. Sure there is a lock placed on it, but I always figured this had to do with stay away from reading folders from people that had run it properly. You see, various odd incidence and pieces of information we also do find in the book ‘Scientology: The History of Man’ (1952), and that book isn't confidential. The original title of this was factually ‘What to Audit’. Doesn't that explain it? Other incidences we find on lectures which were for sale to the public.
It is interesting to watch Leah Remini telling on the TV show she went for it all-in:
24:43: “And that those people that were blown up are now what composes and makes up our bodies, right? It's insane. But we all did it.”
I guess that if you want to bolster a belief system then you do that.The thing that I don't get is that you adopted some belief (that isn't) and then still stay on for 3-4 decades...
New OT V
At 28:46 Leah Remini to Bruce Hines: “Let's go through OT V. Are you of the belief that on OT Five, that you were curing yourself of any illnesses that you had?”
At 28:57 Bruce Hines: “Well, I used to think that, but I did it a lot on other people, and I thought, ‘Yeah, I'm helping them to resolve these physical troubles that they had.’”
At 29:04 Leah Remini: “So you were witness to people in Scientology saying, ‘I'm curing myself of cancer. I'm curing myself of some serious illnesses.’ And they believed that you were curing them?”
At 29:16 Bruce Hines: “Right, and I can remember a number of people who said, ‘Ooh, I just cured my cancer,’ and then they died two months later. You know, they were so convinced that they had.”
So, OT V is associated with curing illnesses First of all they talk about New OT V that dates to as late as Sept 78 at which time it was known as Audited NOTs. A curious thing as it was created because it was suddenly figured that Clears (=Dianetic Clears) and OTs could not receive Dianetics, it was said this could be deadly. A strange notion as this was never an issue during 1969-78. Makes sense to you? Prior to this the rule was if somatics (physical discomforts) arose after attesting Clear or OT that one went back to good old Dianetics, run the item, and then return to wherever you were on the Bridge. Since Sept 78 you could not do that anymore. Instead you run NOTs (=NED/Dianetics for OTs), which does not use Dianetics principles, to deal with the physical discomforts. So, NOTs appears a blatant misnomer! Won't be surprised that the results will be thereafter! The TV show tells here about (at 29:16) that “a number of people who said, ‘Ooh, I just cured my cancer,’ and then they died two months later.” Bruce Hines says at 29:25: “And it's personal for me, 'cause my sister finished, and then she died of cancer at the age of 52.” Do we recall that Mike Rinder earlier said Dianetics was so vital, then why is its use abandoned on Clears and OTs?
Another point is that processing is not about curing illnesses, all of these are side effects. Processing is nothing other than removing mental charge from incidences. After that it is que sera sera.
Only when it was re-released in Mar 82 that it was called New OT V. Be assured Leah Remini knows nothing about that...
New OT VII
At 29:53 Leah Remini: “When you're on the level of OT VII, and it's called ‘The Level,’ that could take people ten or 20 years. How long were you on OT VII, Mom?”
At 30:03 Vicki Marshall: “I would say about 18 years.”
At 30:05 Leah Remini: “So, OT VII costs a person on average what?”
At 30:08 Mike Rinder: “If it's $30,000 or $40,000 a year, if you're on it for ten years, that's $300,000 or $400,000 just for OT VII.”
Wow! Can't wait signing up for that! And don't forget the half yearly security checking auditing for which you were required to travel whole the way to Flag each time! Not sure though what bad intentions these OTs still must have if they have to submit to sec checking so frequently or at all. It is funny that the original OT VII (different action) that was listed in 1974 only cost you $75.
Vocabulary:
8-C: ‘Routine 8-Control’. 1. Essentially and intimately the operation of making the physical body contact the environment. (5410CM08) 2. Name of a process. Also used to mean good control. (HCOB 23 Aug 65) AB: ‘Able-Bodied Seaman’. (BPL 5 Nov 72RA). AD..:
‘After Dianetics ..’. The main book ‘Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health’ was first published in 1950. Therefore for example AD8, AD12, and AD29 would respectively give the years 1958, 1962 and 1979. AOSH EU (or AOSH EU & AF):
‘Advanced Organization Saint Hill Europe (& Africa)’: A Scientology organization which services higher level auditing & training, located in Copenhagen, Denmark. audit, auditing, auditor:
The application of Scientology processes and procedures to someone by a trained auditor (listener). The goal of the auditor is to make the receiver of the auditing look at incidents and reduce the mental charge which may lay upon them. The auditor may not evaluate and has to adhere to the Auditor's code. C/S:
‘Case/Supervisor’. 1. That person in a Scientology Church who gives instructions regarding, and supervises the auditing of preclears. The abbreviation C/S can refer to the Case Supervisor or to the written instructions of a case supervisor depending on context. (BTB 12 Apr 72R) 2. The C/S is the case supervisor. He has to be an accomplished and properly certified auditor and a person trained additionally to supervise cases. The C/S is the auditor's “handler.” He tells the auditor what to do, corrects his tech, keeps the lines straight and keeps the auditor calm and willing and winning. The C/S is the pc's case director. His actions are done for the pc. (Dianetics Today, Bk. 3, p. 545) E-meter:
‘Electro-meter’ or ‘Electropsycho-meter’. 1. It is an aid to the auditor (minister, student, pastoral counselor) in two-way communication locating areas of spiritual travail and indicating spiritual well-being in an area. (HCO PL 24 Sept 73 VII) 2. An electronic instrument for measuring mental state and change of state in individuals, as an aid to precision and speed in auditing. The E-meter is not intended or effective
for the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of any disease. (Scientology Abridged Dictionary) 3. Used to verify the preclear's gain and register when each separate auditing action is ended. (HCOB 5 Apr 69R) 4.Electropsychometer. (HCOB 23 Aug 65) 5. The meter tells you what the preclear's mind is doing when the preclear is made to
think of something. The meter registers before the preclear becomes conscious of the datum. It is therefore a pre-conscious meter. It passes a tiny current through the preclear's body. This current is influenced by the mental masses, pictures, circuits and machinery. When the unclear pc thinks of something, these mental items shift and this registers on the meter. (E Meter Essentials, p. 8) engram: 1. Simply moments of physical pain strong enough to throw part or all the analytical machinery out of circuit; they are antagonism to the survival of the organism or pretended sympathy to the organism's survival. That is the entire definition. Great or little unconsciousness, physical pain, perceptic content, and contra-survival or pro-survival data. (Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, p. 68) 2. A moment when the analytical mind is shut down by physical pain, drugs or other means, and the reactive bank is open to the receipt of a recording. (Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, p. 153) 3. The word engram is an old one borrowed from biology. It means simply, “a lasting memory trace on a cell.” It may be engraved on more than the cell, but up against Dianetic processing, it is not very lasting. (Science of Survival, p. 10) 4. A recording which has the sole purpose of steering the individual through supposed but usually nonexistent dangers. (Science of Survival, p. 10) 5. A mental image picture which is a recording of a time of physical pain and unconsciousness. It must by definition have impact or injury as part of its content. (HCOB 23 Apr 69) 6. A complete recording, down to the last accurate detail, of every perception present in a moment of partial or full unconsciousness. (Scientology 0-8, p. 11) entheta:
Means enturbulated theta (thought or life); especially refers to communications, which, based on lies and confusions, are slanderous, choppy or destructive in an attempt to overwhelm or suppress a person or group. (Scientology Abridged Dictionary) examiner:
That person in a Scientology Church assigned to the duties of noting pc's statements. TA position [needle reaction on E-meter] and indicators after session, or when he wishes to volunteer information. (HCO PL 4 Dec 71 V, R-1C) Flag Order (FO):
This is the equivalent to a policy letter (HCO PL) in the Sea Org (senior organization within the Church of Scientology). Contains policy and sea technical materials. They are numbered and dated. They do not decay, HCO PLs and FOs are both in effect on Sea Org orgs, ships, offices and bases. Black ink on white paper. Distribution to all Sea Org members. It is vital for SO units to have master files and quantity of FOs from which hats can be made up for SO personnel and courses. (HCO PL 24 Sept 70R) HCOB:
‘Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin’. Color flash–red ink on white paper. Written by LRH only , but only so starting from January 1974. These are the technical issue line. All data for auditing and courses is contained in HCOBs. For more information go here (separate window). HCO PL:
‘Hubbard Communication Office Policy Letter’. Color flash–green ink on white paper. Written by LRH only, but only so starting from January 1974. These are the organizational and administrative issue line. For more information go here (separate window). IMDB:
‘International Movie Database’. Internet address: https://www.imdb.com. Used as a source reference. LRH:
An usual abbreviation for ‘L. Ron Hubbard’. LRH ED:
‘L. Ron Hubbard Executive Directive’. Earlier called SEC EDs (Secretarial EDs). These are issued by LRH to various areas. They are not valid longer than one year if fully complied with when they are automatically retired. They otherwise remain valid until fully complied with or until amended or cancelled by another LRH ED. They carry current line, projects, programs, immediate orders and directions. They are numbered for area and sequence for the area and are sent to staffs or specific posts in orgs. They are blue ink on white paper with a special heading. (HCO PL 24 Sept 70R) Mimeo: Mimeograph section. The section within the Scientology organization that takes care of all the printed references, printing, storing, organizing, filing etc. Since the ’80s however the printing is not done anymore with a mimeograph machine (or ‘Roneo’), it became off-set printing. However the name Mimeo is still the name used to address this section. OCA, APA:
‘Oxford Capacity Analysis’. The OCA (Oxford Capacity Analysis) is the English version of the American Personality Analysis (APA). The OCA (or APA) consists of 200 questions. These 200 questions are divided up into series of 20 questions, each of which measures a single personality trait. Thus ten traits are measured in all. (HCO PL 3 Nov 70 II) org(s):
Short for ‘organization(s)’. OT:
Short for ‘Operating Thetan’. Denotes a person having advanced to the higher levels in Scientology. PAB:
‘Professional Auditors Bulletin’. Scientology periodical (monthly) send to all members to keep auditors informed about the latest discoveries concerning processing procedures and other. reactive mind: 1. That portion of a person's mind which works on a stimulus-response basis (given a certain stimulus, it gives a certain response) which is not under his volitional control and which exerts force and the power of command over his awareness, purposes, thoughts, body and actions. It consists of GPMs, Engrams, Secondaries and Locks. (Scientology Abridged Dictionary) 2. Stored in the reactive mind are engrams, and here we find the single source of aberrations and psychosomatic ills. (Scientology 0-8, p. 11) 3. ‘bank’: a colloquial name for the reactive mind. This is what the procedures of Scientology are devoted to disposing of, for it is only a burden to an individual and he is much better off without it. (Scientology Abridged Dictionary) 4. The reactive mind acts below the level of consciousness. It is the literal stimulus-response mind. Given a certain stimulus it gives a certain response. (The Fundamentals of Thought, p. 58) Sea Org (SO):
Short for ‘Sea Organization’. This is the senior organization within the Church of Scientology that see to it that Advanced Organizations (AOs) and the Class IV-V organizations do function well. They send out so-called missions if there are indications or if they find that improvement or corrections are called for. They also provide for dissemination and other programs that the Scientology organizations are to comply with. Missions may be send out to implement these and instruct the organizations. Sec Check(ing):
Short for ‘security check(ing). third dynamic:
There could be said to be eight urges (drives, impulses) in life. These we call dynamics. These are motives or motivations.
The ‘third dynamic’ is the urge towards existence in groups or individuals. Also referred to as the ‘group dynamic’. Wiki:
On this page this is short for Wikipedia. Used as a source reference.
org dancing after seeing a movie in the cinema (the org paid for food and everything). The CO (Liz Astrupgaard) even pushed me on the dance floor (me who doesn't like dancing). 
