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Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath (2016-19) (7)  or      Are we being properly (mis)informed or not? (Review of TV show that ran 3 seasons. Hosts: Leah Remini and Mike Rinder)

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1) G e n e r a l   o v e r v i e w / i n t r o d u c t i o n :   M i s s i o n   s t a t e m e n t ,   o v e r v i e w ,   r e s e a r c h   s p e c i f i c s I n t r o d u c t i o n   t o   S c i e n t o l o g y   a n d   L R H K e e p i n g   S c i e n t o l o g y   W o r k i n g ,   f u n d a m en t al s S c i e n t o l o g y   i n   m e d i a   a nd   I n t e r n e t   ( +   f o r u m s ,   W i k i p e d i a ) S c i e n t o l o g y :   I t s   t r u e   h i s t o r y   e x p o s e d ? S c i e n t o l o g y   Q & A   ( F A Q ) E x t e r n a l   l i n k s M a t e r i a l s   w a n t   l i s t R e c o m m e n d e d   l i s t   o f   m a t e r i a l s 2) R e s p o n s e s   ( w i t h   a n n o t a t i o n s ) : A p p r e c i a t i v e   r e s p o n s e s   t o   m y   p a g e s C r i t i q u e   r e c e i v e d   ( 1 )   f r o m   c h u r c h g o i n g   S c i e n t o l o g i s t s C r i t i q u e   r e c e i v e d   ( 2 )   f r o m   o u t - o f - c h u r c h   S c i e n t o l o g i s t s C r i t i q u e   r e c e i v e d    ( 3 )   f r o m   a n t i - S c i e n t o l o g i s t s 3) T o p i c s   o f   p a r t i c u l a r   i n t e r e s t : (a): G e n e r a l   t o p i c s H o l y   S c r i p t u r e s   v s   S c i e n t o l o g y L R H   v s   D i c t i o n a r i e s L R H   v s   t h e o r y   o f   e v o l u t i o n L R H ' s   w o r k s   o f   f i c t i o n (b): O r g a n i z a t i o n a l   t o p i c s A   p r i n t i n g   h i s t o r y   o f   t h e   m a t e r i a l s   o f   S c i e n t o l o g y S c i e n t o l o g y   M e m b e r s h i p :   H A S I   v s   I A S L R H   v s   p r i c i n g   p o l i c i e s T h e   c o p y r i g h t s   i s s u e   a n d   l i c e n s i n g (c): T e c h n i c a l   t o p i c s H i s t o r y   o f   G r a d e   C h a r t :   a )   G e n e r a l H i s t o r y   o f   G r a d e   C h a r t :   b )   D e t a i l e d ‘ C l e a r ’   d e f i n e d N E D   f o r   O T s T h e   ‘ P r i m a r y   R u n d o w n ’ 4) C o n t r o v e r s i a l   t o p i c s : M i s t a k e n   i d e a s   o f   ‘ E t h i c s ’   c l a r i f i e d T h e   F a i r    G a m e   L a w P r a c t i c e   o f   D i s c o n n e c t i o n S e c u r i t y   C h e c k i n g F r e e l o a d e r s   v s   E x - s t a f f   m e m b e r s T h e   ‘ R e h a b i l i t a t i o n   P r o j e c t   F o r c e ’   ( R P F ) 5) C h a n g e s   i n   t h e   f l o w   o f   ‘ i n f o r m a t i o n ’: (a): A l t e r a t i o n s   ( L R H   o r   n o n- L R H ? ) L R H   v s   A l t e r a t i o n s N o n - L R H   t u r n s   i n t o   L R H ?   &   P r o p o s a l   t o   s o l u t i o n T h e    ‘ C r a m m i n g   S e r i e s ’   -   L R H   o r   n o t   L R H ? B a s e d   o n   L R H   p u b l i c a t i o n s (b): G e n e r a l   o v e r v i e w L R H   v s   A   N e w   O r d e r   ( i n t r o d u c t i o n ) → A d m i n i s t r a t i v e   a n d    o r g a n i z a t i o n a l   m a t t e r s S e t u p   o f   t h e   p r i n t e d   m a t e r i a l s   ( 1 9 7 3 - 8 6 ) T h e   R T R C ,   t h e   u n i t   t h a t   w r o t e   L R H   i s s u e s   ( 1 9 7 3 - 8 2 ) T h e   d a w n i n g   o f   R T C   a n d   n e w   m a n a g e m e n t   ( 1 9 8 2 - 8 3 ) → T e c h n i c a l   m a t t e r s I n t r o d u c t i o n   t o   t h e   e v e n t   o f   l o s i n g   a   B r i d g e ) A n a l y s i s   o f   H C O B   “ T e c h   C o r r e c t i o n   R o u n d - u p ” L o s t   B r i d g e :   T e c h   c h a n g e s   d u r i n g   1 9 7 8 - 8 2 T h e   h i s t o r y   o f   t h e   o r i g i n a l   O T   V I I I ‘ G o l d e n   A g e   o f   T e c h ’   ( G A T )   a n a l y s i s D r i l l i n g   i n   S c i e n t o l o g y (c): T h e   m a t t e r   o f   D a v i d   M a y o S t o r y   o f   D a v i d   M a y o ‘ S O   E D   2 3 4 4   I n t’   a n a l y s i s T r a i n i n g   d r i l l s   ( T R s ) M a y o   r e f e r e n c e   l i s t 6) C o n s p i r a c i e s   -   I n   L .   R o n   H u b b a r d ' s   f o o t s t e p s S c i e n t o l o g y   v s   a   N e w   W o r l d   O r d e r → W h e r e   i s   L .   R o n   H u b b a r d ?   ( c h r o n o l o g y   o f   S c n   h i s t o r y ) W h e r e a b o u t s   o f   L .   R o n   H u b b a r d   c h r o n o l o g y T h e   e r a   o f   a d o r a t i o n ;   P r e s e n t a t i o n   o f   L .   R o n   H u b b a r d L .   R o n   H u b b a r d   i n t o   a r t i s t r y :   M u s i c   &   F i l m → W h e r e   i s   h i s   w i f e   a n d   f a m i l y ? S t o r y   o f   M a r y   S u e   H u b b a r d T h e   l a s t   s t a n d :   T h e   G u a r d i a n   O f f i c e 7) S c i e n t o l o g y   u n d e r   a t t a c k (a): A   p r e m e d i t a t e d   s e r i e s   o f   o c c u r r e n c e s ?   ( ’ 8 0 s   c o n s p i r a c y ) I n t r o d u c t i o n   &   R o n   D e W o l f G e r r y   A r m s t r o n g   ( ‘ a f f i r m a t i o n s ’ ) R u s s e l l   M i l l e r    ( ‘ B a r e - F a c e d   M e s s i a h ’ ) A   r e l i g i o n   c r e a t e d   f o r   t h e   m o n e y ? (b): B a t t l e s   f o u g h t   a n d   t h e   i n t e r n e t   ( 2 0 1 6 -   ) L e a h   R e m i n i :   S c i e n t o l o g y   a n d   t h e   A f t e r m a t h   ( T V   s h o w )

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Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath (2016-19)  (page 7)

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‘Lifetime of Healing’  (s2e10 - 31 Oct 2017)
	[Wiki: Leah sits down with two of her childhood friends, Chantal Dodson and Sherry Ollins, for an emotional conversation about their shared experiences growing up in Scientology. They look back on how their friendship helped them to survive during their most difficult times and how they're now trying to heal with each other's support.]

At 1:46 Leah Remini: “I was guilty of disconnecting from my own friend because of Scientology policy. And it's not something that I've really come to terms with yet. I still have a lot of emotion and guilt. It's just more evidence that, here we are, adults with our own children, and we're still living the effects of Scientology policy and what it does to people.”

If you talk about ‘disconnection’, then it is more correct to say that it was Miscavige policy. That is according to Robert Vaughn Young who in court testified that he wrote it by order of David Miscavige.

At 32:35-36:56: This episode reveals later that this friend that Leah Remini was disconnecting from was Sherry Ollins. She came to Leah Remini for help because she was at the time already this celebrity, and thought she might be able to do something to help. There was a situation with Sherry Ollins’ brother Stefan. He and his wife were Sea Org members, he had been spending time on the RPF*, “managed to escape and left Scientology in 2004”. Stefan wanted help to get his wife Tanja Castle also out. “After a failed escape attempt by Tanja in 2004, Sherry set up a meeting with Leah on her brother's behalf.” Leah however declined because of the stance of the Church on matters and the consequences it would bear for her. She chose to be “on the side of the Church.”. Says that “at the time that I was brainwashed and totally indoctrinated and on board with Scientology”.

At 34:54 Leah Remini: “I mean, looking back on it, here was somebody who was up at the international management base saying these things are going on, and I'm saying you're nuts. Looking back on it now, you know, she was doing what I'm doing now. Sherry was doing what I'm doing now with this show, going, ‘Hey, world, wake up. Can somebody do something about it?’ And I'm sitting there at the lunch thinking, ‘My friend's insane. The brother's insane. The wife's insane. And they're all lying’. I just... didn't look. I didn't look. I failed everything that I supposedly represent, you know, in that moment. I didn't stand by my friend. It still gets me...”

At 36:24 Sherry Ollins: “Because of my brother leaving, because of the situation, she disconnected from me. And we didn't speak for ten years.”

She “didn't look”. Is she looking today? At least she realizes her own behaviour in some matters. However very much of the TV show indicates that she just walked to the other side of the fence. She changed diametrically with no differentiation. She is still blaming something else, Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard, but not so much David Miscavige. Nonetheless ‘modern disconnection’ and a knowledge report system involving ‘snitching’, that she repeatedly complains about and tells how bad it is, both of which came about under his reign...

‘Aftermath of the Aftermath’  (s2e11 - 7 Nov 2017)
	[Wiki: Leah and Mike reunite with participants from the first season and discuss their lives following their respective broadcasts; they later interviewed Chantal Dodson and her mother, who, as hinted at by a postscript in the previous episode, had left the Church due in part to what she had learned from the show.]

• Marc and Claire Headley, “kids that are alive” (as opposed to abortion at Gold Base)
• Aaron Smith-Levin, losing wife's grandparents (disconnection)
• Occurrences because of the airing of the TV show
• The story of Ramina Nunnelee, walking out of the Church  (Incl.: A mindset hard to quit)

At 4:38-6:28: Apparently the TV show attracted a lot of attention whereupon contributors/guests on the show were recognized on the street for their participation by the public and commended them for that.

Marc and Claire Headley, “kids that are alive” (as opposed to abortion at Gold Base)

	At 6:46 Leah Remini: “When you guys left, you actually had a lawsuit...”
	At 6:49 Marc Headley: “That's exactly correct.”
	At 6:51 Leah Remini: “Against the Church of Scientology, and you lost that case. What people need to understand is that it brought about huge changes in what you're talking about, whereas there was this many abortions, since you brought your lawsuit and ‘lost,’ for the Church, you actually saved...”
	At 7:10 Marc Headley: “Yeah, which is not a lose in our minds.”
	At 7:18 screen dump text: “Though Marc and Claire lost their lawsuit against the Church, they feel that speaking out has made it harder for the Church´s practice to continue.”
	At 7:22 Marc Headley: “Before, you were being pressured to have an abortion or...”
	At 7:25 Claire Headley: “...separated from your husband. All that whole pressure system.”
	At 7:28 Marc Headley: “All those things. None of that happens anymore. This is from... we've heard from the people who have been leaving. And now there's a whole new generation of people that worked at the International Base that have kids, that have a family, and they're leaving, and they're saying, "None of the stuff you guys say is true, this never happened". But now there's kids that are alive now because we exposed that.”

	At 8:47 Claire Headley: “So after our lawsuit, unbeknownst to us, our lawyers started negotiations with the Scientology lawyers, which we found out after the fact was common practice, to say, ‘Look, our clients, Marc and Claire Headley, will not pursue any further claim. They'll drop it. And in response to that, you will waive the bill’. Scientology's response to that was, ‘We will waive the bill if Marc and Claire turn over the rights to Marc's book, turn over all information of any e-mails, correspondence, conversations they've ever had with Marty Rathbun, Mike Rinder, and any ex-Scientology friends that we've communicated to’.”
	At 9:26 Marc Headley: “And to basically rat on other people.”
	At 9:31 Claire Headley: “And finally, that we never, ever speak about our experiences in Scientology ever again.”
	At 9:38 Marc Headley: “For $46,000.”
	At 9:39 Leah Remini: “Wow. And you said no.”

	10:34 Claire Headley: “So in the final ruling, he [the judge] said had we pursued other courses of action, and two examples were assault and battery and false imprisonment, we may have fared differently. And the final ruling actually documented many of the abuses that we'd been deposed in regards too. So even though we lost technically, by not pursuing the right course of action...
	It's public record that the abuses we suffered happened, and that Scientology claims it was their right to abuse us, because we were members of their religion.”

The course of action they had focused on was abortions. You lose on that, but would have a better chance with “assault and battery and false imprisonment”? If that last paragraph is true and the Church claimed that, then wow!

Aaron Smith-Levin, losing wife's grandparents (disconnection)

	At 13:54 Aaron Smith-Levin: “The problem is no matter what decision they made, they were going to lose children and grandchildren because of Scientology. There was no right decision. We don't hold it against them personally. They're good people.”
	At 14:11 Marc Headley: “It's a Sophie's choice when you're in Scientology. You're gonna ruin a family... part of your family, no matter which way you go.”
	At 14:18 Aaron Smith-Levin: “This is why, regardless of what you think about Scientology, independent Scientology, whatever, this organization will destroy your family.”

Always the effect position is chosen! Who says that the parents of Aaron's wife can not do Scientology outside of the Church? It is interesting that Aaron says “independent Scientology”, what does he mean by that? Commonly when saying that you will find yourself doing Scientology independently from the Church. The bottom line is that a decision was made by the parents of Aaron's wife to do as they did. Just don't blame Scientology for that. What are these parents thinking really? That they can go ‘free’ while disconnecting from family for such silly reasons that violate original Scientology principles!? The worst is what these parents do to their grandchildren!

Occurrences because of the airing of the TV show

	At 23:04 Marc Headley: “Since the shows have aired, I think for pretty much every single show, season one and season two, I at least have 16 people that have appeared on the show that have hate websites that have been put up on them. Leah had 88 web domains registered against you. Mike Rinder has 25 I myself have ten. My wife has ten. Aaron has seven. And Ron Miscavige, Sr. has 522. That's David Miscavige's father.”
	At 23:59 Leah Remini: “With what's going on the world that you can get passionate about, Scientology is spending its time creating these websites that cost money, getting all of this energy of hate and ridiculousness. If they put that energy into something good, we wouldn't have this program. There'd be no need for it.”

Indeed, the output is negativity if you do these things. Time can be spend on much better and positive things. The best defence you'll ever have is success stories from people that benefitted from something. Why is this not being done instead?

	At 24:23: “The worst offense of it all is to hide behind religious freedom and religious bigotry banners with their STAND League.”
	At 24:33 screen dump text: “The STAND League is a Scientology operated group that says it fights against religious hatred and bigotry.”

At 24:47 Marc Headley: “On Twitter, they have these STAND League bloggers that have accounts. And multiple STAND League accounts are fake accounts. They've Photoshopped stock photos and made those their profile pics of these people. So there's a guy and they took that stock shot and they made that this profile picture for this guy, and he's a STAND account blogger. And you also see hundreds of STAND accounts are tweeting the exact same thing simultaneously 24 hours a day.”

At 27:00 Marc Headley: “The other thing that we've heard from people that have recently left is that we've been talking about and exposing things that have been happening at the International Headquarters. And as we've been talking about those things, and things that have been shown on this show, they're changing the way they treat people there. And suddenly they're now being able to visit family. Suddenly they're eating better. Suddenly, now if a girl finds out she's pregnant, she's immediately given a place to live, a place to go, money, and her and the husband leave to go have the child.”

At 27:50 Marc headley: “A lot of the people that are saying, if any of these total strangers, if anybody needs anything, I've watched the show, you can come work for my company, I'll put you up, I have apartment buildings. I have whatever. There are thousands of people that are saying, ‘I don't care if you have a high school diploma, you can come work for me’.”

The story of Ramina Nunnelee, walking out of the Church  (Incl.: A mindset hard to quit)

At 29:57 screen dump: “Ramina Nunnelee: 42 years in Scientology, Sea Org for 26 years”

Ramina Nunnelee is the mother of Chantal Dobson who was a childhood friend of Leah Remini that spoke out in the previous episode of the TV show. She did this in spite of the situation that her mother, who was still in the Church, might cut communication with her daughter all together. She did not, she instead walked out of the Church.

At 31:39 Leah Remini to Ramina Nunnelee: “Like most of us, you believed that Scientology is the only thing saving mankind. And you were not raised in Scientology to value family. Chantal, you were not raised in Scientology to value family. Neither was I. The destruction of it is generational. And I hope that stops. ... You know when my daughter was just growing up and learning how to walk, I was on my OT VI course from 9:00 in the morning till midnight. Scientology eventually makes you lose yourself. You're losing your empathy, you're losing your compassion, and ultimately you lose all sense of reality of what's going on in Scientology, and in the real world.”

It is ironic as all these things are counter Scientology principles. Bottom line, Scientology did not do that, they all did that all by themselves!

	At 32:39 Ramina Nunnelee: “Even though I'm talking to you right now, I'm saying to you that I'm done, even as I was saying all the things I was saying, when I went in there in the back, and one of the staff said, ‘Thank you so much. It's been horrific hearing all of these horrible stories. You know, the damage that it's caused’. You know what my response was in a corner of my mind? Ramina, oh, my God, what have you done? You're preventing people from getting on the Bridge. And I went, whoa, wait a minute. Wait a minute! What am I thinking? Why am I even thinking this? It's programmed in you, you know? ...
	I don't know how to explain it. You can't say anything bad about Scientology. You can't question it, even. Even though you're supposed to think for yourself, even though you're supposed to have your own self-determinism. Oh, no! God help you if you choose to think some other way.”

At 37:06 Ramina Nunnelee: “And I thought ‘this is crazy’. And then I find out about all these other kids. And that's when I decided that's it, enough is enough.”

At 41:15: “‘Don't put your Church, your group, or anything ahead of your children. I caused horrible things to my children to happen. That's what it did to me! That's what this f***ing Church did to me. It made me think that nothing else mattered but my group. Nothing else! Well, guess what? No church is a church if they condone, advocate that family members split up and disavow each other. No church has... no decent church would do that. How could they be considered a church?’”

We blame this Church, we all blame the Church for “what it did to me” “this f***ing Church”!  Is the first requirement not to have a submitting person to follow and become a mindless robot? There is not a single, not a single thought about that may be this was not Scientology! What did these people did all these years in that organization they call a Church? Scientology is not a Church as such where you go believe stuff and pray.

Seems to me a lot of persons with the wrong attitude join/joined up with Scientology. Of course it didn't help when David Miscavige got hold of the steering wheel. There is indeed very little awareness of what changed when that happened...

Either way Ramina Nunnelee was able to make a sensible decision for her family, good for her and her family.

‘Propaganda Arms’  (s2e12 - 12 Nov 2017)
	[Wiki: A roundtable discussion about the Church's propaganda arms, analyzing the tactics the groups employ to forward a Scientology agenda.]

• IAS events
• Historical
• Narconon
• The Way to Happiness
• Volunteer Ministers
• Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR)

At 0:49:

These are also frequently in the media referred to as so-called Scientology front groups.

IAS events

	At 0:54 Mike Rinder: “These propaganda arms, they claim they are taking care of drug... the drug problem. They're taking care of illiteracy. They're bringing relief to people who have suffered natural disasters. They are helping eradicate psychiatry. They are doing away with crime. They are somehow taking care of the broad problems in society. These organizations have three purposes.
	One, to create goodwill and public relations for Scientology.
	Second, to convince Scientologists that Scientology is having a massive effect around the world.
	And then three, fundraising, because Scientologists are hammered constantly to give money to support these ‘humanitarian’ objectives.”

It is kind of interesting, because these things don't have anything to do with practicing Scientology. If you donate anything at all it would go to Scientology, not to projects that essentially lay outside of that.

“Every time I myself have sought to solve finance or personnel in other ways than Scientology I have lost out. So I can tell you from experience that Org solvency lies in More Scientology, not patented combs or fund raising Barbecues.”          LRH (from HCO PL 24 Feb 64 “Org Programming”)

Personally I only paid for life time IAS membership, because that gave you 20% on services and 10% on materials, which is a good deal as such. However I never gave anything beyond this.

Sure if people want to give money to other stuff and things, well that is wholly their choice.

At 2:36 Leah Remini: “There are five mandatory events in Scientology that all Scientologists have to attend, and if you can't attend, they make sure that you watch the video of it.”

She said that before about “mandatory” in previous episodes, suddenly here she confirms it is not so “mandatory” after all. The same goes of course for video plays of the event.

At 2:48 Leah Remini: “What happens is, to people like me who go to these events and I see the horses, you know, and the flag. ‘Scientology is saving this sector of the universe, and we are saving mankind.’ You know, it does work on me. I mean, I got goose bumps when I used to sit in that audience, and I used to say to myself like, ‘Wow, Leah, you've been so critical of your church. These people have accepted your church. Look at these amazing things that they're doing in the world.’”

It is simple PR, you have to pinch through it...

At 4:52 Mike Rinder: “But if you go to those people and say, are you aware of the fact that your statement was shown at an event for Scientology, it was put in the Scientology magazines? They're like ‘We had no idea.’”

At 5:10 the TV show is showing a letter from a “Dr. Chia-Fan Lin, Ministry of Education, Taiwan”, quote:

“I had no idea that the Youth for Human Rights is affiliated with the Church of Scientology. Therefore when I said, ‘Together we can safeguard human rights in Taiwan, and make them the universal values of society.’ I meant that ‘the youth for Human Rights and I’, not ‘the church of Scientology and I’.”

At 5:33 it is the “The President of Uganda” making some statements. I remember that such big names repeatedly were used, to which I always had been sceptical. It is quite simple. If you for years hear about all these ‘advances’ and the ‘expansion of Scientology’, then why is it not ever reflected in any media coverage? More over we did not see an influx of public coming into orgs, it was rather shrinking. These things just do not add up! At that the presentations and numbers given at these IAS events were always so exaggerated and so dramatically, that just does not bite on me. I used to look at the audiences at these events, many did not buy it either. You could see it on their faces.

Historical

This is correct.

At 7:34: “And they generated some goodwill, and L. Ron Hubbard reviewed this and said, ‘Look, these things are generating good public relations for Scientology. So let's formalize their organization,’ and the instruction was expand these things to keep generating goodwill and good PR for Scientology.”

Now, this we really do not know anything about at all! All we know is that he condoned these initiatives from the 60s, that's it. Mike Rinder is simply telling a story...

At 8:55 Mike Rinder: “This is something that is a very important thing that is used to convince Scientologists that they need to give money, because if he just kept standing there and saying ‘This is what we're doing, give us your money,’ and there was nothing to show people, then they wouldn't keep giving the money. But the real focus of this is Scientologists are being hoodwinked into giving money for things that aren't happening.”

An relevant observation:

“Giving money or things to a group are both a form of participation and contribution. But while this is an important matter, it does not involve actual action. Thus a contributor of money or objects to a group is yet withholding himself and his time. One should seek contribution of money and things. But the status granted for this is that of patron or associate, not a true member of the group.”          LRH (from HCO PL 24 Feb 64 “Org Programming”)

In the history of Scientology there had been initiations of voluntary donations. I documented one from the 50s here (separate window).

Narconon

At 7:01 screen dump: “Tony Ortega: Journalist, Investigating Scientology since 1995”

	At 9:45 Mike Rinder: “Narconon is another one of the organizations that Scientology uses to generate propaganda. And, just to be clear, Narconon is a drug rehabilitation program.”
	At 10:08 Tony Ortega: “Narconon will admit that it uses L. Ron Hubbard's ideas. They do their best not to say anything about Scientology.”

Hmm, not really, it was not hidden when I did some volunteer work there in the Netherlands in the mid 80s. It wasn't hard to find some Scientology materials in that place. In fact some study courses were even done at the local Scientology organization. The persons on the program were very well aware of the affiliation. Some persons that I spoke with were not interested in Scientology but had no problem either with that at least parts of the Narconon program derived from L. Ron Hubbard and/or Scientology. Now, did all this change since then, it may be.

At 10:32 Mike Rinder: “The difference with Narconon is that Scientology tries to keep a distance from it, and Narconon tries to keep a distance from Scientology ...”

Yes, it is different organizations and run separately from each other.

At 11:08 Mike Rinder: “The International Association of Scientologists, we're the ones that are making Narconon. We're the ones that put Narconon there. We take credit for all of the accomplishments of Narconon, ...”

Narconon was founded in 1966 by one William Benitez of Arizona. There was no IAS in existence at that time.

What is true though is that the IAS uses Narconon in their propaganda events. I guess they shouldn't, but they do. It has grown to be like that over the years though.

At 12:33 Tony Ortega: “They at minimum will tell you that they have about a 70% success rate. I've seen advertisements for Narconon going up to 90% success rate. People who are legitimate rehab experts will tell you the best programs have about a 25% success rate.”

The problem is that you are going to have many dropouts from the program. A general success rate is just not going to be that high, I guess. The high percentage claims stem from later years. It wasn't the case when I was involved in the 80s. It was presented more like that it was as a better alternative than the other existing methods.

At 13:11 Tony Ortega: “It's outrageous. Scientology advertises that it's going to give you individualized drug counseling. And they're very careful never to tell you that you won't be talking about drugs at all. You're just getting Scientology training.”

That is not that I have seen. There is some counseling about drugs. The Narconon program however does focus on getting to the core of why one started to use drugs. It means some education about Scientology principles and various auditing. You are however not groomed or recruited into Scientology.

At 13:24 Tony Ortega: “And the victims of Narconon are ... the people who go into Narconon not knowing what they're getting into and people who have compromised immune systems, compromised livers who then go into this 25-day sauna program where they're being baked, you know, four or five hours a day. Well, these parents, before sending their loved ones to Narconon should be checking it out before putting them into a risky situation.”

It was required to have a doctor examine each person before they were allowed on the program. You also were monitored and were not permitted to go into the sauna on your own. If anything would occur you were taken out of the sauna. Of course if you don't do all that... The TV show nor Tony Ortega forward any specifics of the people that had died and for what reason. Also they fail to enlighten how many people died in other programs that are not Narconon...

The Way to Happiness

At 7:09 screen dump: “Fred Oxaal: 33 years in Scientology, Founder and former Executive Director The Way to Happiness Foundation”

At 14:37 Mike Rinder: “What the Way to Happiness is used for is a propaganda tool for Scientologists and to make it appear that Scientology, which supports the Way to Happiness, is changing the world.”

At 15:05 Fred Oxaal: “The Way To Happiness is a non-religious moral code that L. Ron Hubbard wrote separate from his actions as the founder of Scientology and Dianetics. He did write he thought maybe the Way To Happiness would be the thing he would become most well-known for.”

The L. Ron Hubbard authorship of ‘The Way to Happiness’ (1981) has been disputed for various reasons. One of them being that he was in hiding and did not appear in public already for a number of years. The booklet is also published anonymously, all that we find about a supposed authorship is a notice in ‘LRH ED 321 Int’, 25 Dec 80 “Ron's Journal 32”, it says: “I wrote a booklet, very cheap to print, for the man in the street. ... It is called ‘The Way to Happiness’”. In 21 chapters it laid out various simple moral guidelines to live a prosperous life.

Volunteer Ministers

At 29:51 David Miscavige at IAS event: “With whole armies of yellow shirts materializing out of chaos to become the largest independent relief force this world has ever seen.”

This does speak for itself...

At 30:12:

Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR)

At 31:01 Tony Ortega: “The Citizens Commission on Human Rights, which has a very generic name, sounds great, human rights, but it has a very specific goal, and that is to destroy the psychiatric profession.”

	At 34:49 Tony Ortega: “This is one of the propaganda arms which has taken an issue that does have legitimacy. There is a question about how much children should be medicated. And they know that many people will agree with their position on it.
	But then when you drill down and look at what their position is on other things they really believe Scientology will replace psychiatry and psychology for mental healthcare in the United States.”

Whoever said drugging is a good thing? All it possibly can do is have the person get a relieve. Drugs however are not solving the underlying problem. If you are going to introduce Scientology processes in the mental profession then surely you can't allow the Church of Scientology to have any part or control over that. Any drug pusher wants you to come back to him, as more money can then be made...

At 36:01 Leah Remini: “... the average Scientologist can't even go to therapy. You can't even see a therapist in Scientology. You can't go to yoga, spiritual yoga is forbidden.”

True is that as a Scientologist it is not particularly appreciated that you go and see a psychiatrist. A ‘psychologist’ is not seen in exactly the same way, as it has a variety of directions, you have to specify it. Mainstream psychology, state funded basically, one should stay away from. Seeing a “therapist”, will be pending what the “therapy” involves. There is however certainly no reason doing “yoga” or “spiritual yoga”. It is only asked that you don't do other practices while you are receiving auditing, because it can interfere. I actually asked all these questions at Amsterdam org a long time ago now.

‘The Life & Lies of L. Ron Hubbard’  (s2e13 - 14 Nov 2017)
	[Wiki: A roundtable discussion, examining the life and lies of L. Ron Hubbard.]

• Leah and Mike, diety worshippers...
• Hana Whitfield, diety worshipper... (Dianetics)
• ‘Russell Miller: The Bare-Faced Messiah’ (Dianetics)
• Russell Miller, the story teller (2)
• Russell Miller (3) L. Ron Hubbard's fiction legacy
• Russell Miller (4) L. Ron Hubbard's war legacy
• L. Ron Hubbard's recovery needed to make ‘Dianetics’ appear credible?
• ‘Dianetics’ (2) bankruptcy?
• Russell Miller (5) money, money, money... (Dianetics vs. Scientology)
• Sea Org vs. Scientology
• Russell Miller (6) Quentin Hubbard
• Russell Miller (7) Mary Sue Hubbard, Snow White and Guardian Office
• Concluding words

Leah and Mike, deity worshippers...

At 0:37 Mike Rinder: “Tonight we're gonna be discussing the life of L. Ron Hubbard. You know, when we talk about Scientology, and the mystery of L. Ron Hubbard sort of lurks in the background. Who was this guy? How did he come to do what he did? And I hope that we can give some perspective on him as a person and what he was doing and how he went about doing it.”

	At 1:07 Leah Remini: “I do remember as a child seeing this man as some form of deity. And I was young, but I was already very early on indoctrinated to believe that this man had all the answers.”
	At 1:22 Mike Rinder: “Oh, me too. My goal when I was growing up was to join the Sea Organization as soon as I could and go work with L. Ron Hubbard. That was like the ultimate objective that I could attain in life was to be right with him, working with him to save the planet.”

(from ‘L. Ron Hubbard: An Introduction to Scientology’ (1966)) “The reason Scientology's assumptions are—can be considered to be true is because they work, and Scientology is totally a workable science. It is only workable. We're not interested in ultimate or absolutes. We're interested in what produces results. And if you know certain things and you apply them and that then increases a man's IQ, increases his ability to handle the world around him, why, he naturally, then, is able to do better and to do more, to make more money, to be happier in his environment and so forth.”          LRH

At 6:17 Mike Rinder: “He was not at all in good shape when he finally died. He had pancreatitis and various other ailments and illnesses for some period of time.”

This photograph suddenly appears on the TV show at 6:35:

Why? Because the person on the photograph looks sickly? Problem is that it was published in 1972 when it appeared in an article. The photograph has never been authenticated. The TV show has pulled this already once before in season 1/episode 4 at 22:23. Now, what does this got to do with 1986? It is really not very serious journalism that we see on this TV show, now do we?!

Hana Whitfield, deity worshipper...  (Dianetics)

	At 8:05 screen dump: “Hana Whitfield: 20 years in Scientology, Former Captain of the Apollo, Second Sea Org member”
	At 7:53 Leah Remini: “And we're gonna meet Hana Whitfield, who worked very closely with L. Ron Hubbard and was one of the first Sea Org members in the history of the Sea Org.”

	At 8:41 Hana Whitfield: “... and I met a medical student who said, ‘You might be interested in this book’. And he handed me ‘Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health’. ...
	If there is such a thing as a modern science of mental health, I have to find out. I mean, if he took the time to write a book, do all this research, and find out all this about the mind, he must know what he's talking about. ...
	When I got ‘Dianetics’ and walked into the local HASI and saw a picture of Hubbard on the wall, that convinced me that Hubbard was the returned messiah. ...
	I read the book all the way through, and even though I thought some parts were totally ridiculous, there was so much else in the book that captivated me.”

Did she not go a little well quick from being interested in a book to devotion of a messiah? Then the contradicting part that “some parts were totally ridiculous”. How does that go together? Can we really take her serious if she says these things? Would be interesting to learn what she thought was so “totally ridiculous”. Other people would probably say that her notion of “the returned messiah” would be “totally ridiculous”!

‘Russell Miller: The Bare-Faced Messiah’  (Dianetics)

	At 8:23 screen dump: “Russell Miller: Journalist, Author of ‘Bare-Faced Messiah’”
	At 8:08 Mike Rinder: “And we're also going to be talking to Russell Miller, the biographer who wrote the definitive biography on L. Ron Hubbard and who researched his life beyond what anybody else has ever done.”

Let Mike Rinder explain what he means with “definitive” and how he supports such a claim! Russell Miller only got people that had issues with Scientology or L. Ron Hubbard to talk to him. He admits this in his own book. This of course will already produce a coloured biography.

	At 9:41 Leah Remini: “And what did you think of it? Did you have a similar fascination?”
	At 9:45-9:53 Russell Miller: “No, no, I'm afraid it didn't. I was completely dumbfounded that anybody could take it seriously. I mean, I thought the whole thing was a joke, to be honest.”

If the book was such “a joke”, then why did it became such a huge seller hit? According to Russell Miller were all these people who liked it stupid or something, brainwashed?

At 9:28-10:15 we see Russell Miller captivating his audience, hanging on his every word. The word spellbound may be proper. It is interesting to see how Russell Miller controls the conversation and changes its direction.

Russell Miller the story teller (2)

At 9:53: “I mean, forgive me Hana for saying this, but you approach from very different perspectives. You know, I was a journalist and working on the biography of Hubbard. When I was researching the book, I became aware very quickly, actually, that I had to check everything. I couldn't take a single thing at face value. He was incapable of telling the truth about himself. Everything about him was a lie. Hubbard was constantly embellishing his life. I couldn't take a single thing at face value. I had to check everything.”

He says twice: “I had to check everything.” and “I couldn't take a single thing at face value.” here above, why would you do that? He does not explain why he “had to check everything”. At that if `he had done that, he certainly would have considered alternative explanations, but his book just tells one story line. It gets to:

At 10:33: “He said he was top sergeant in the Marines. He said he was a doctor. He said he was a nuclear physicist. None of it was true.”

Russell Miller should consider the option of having original records sealed because of uncover activities...

Not sure what Russell Miller refers to with “doctor”, what doctor exactly? L. Ron Hubbard did not say “he was a nuclear physicist”, all that we know is that enrolled on one of earliest courses on the topic. I address this here (separate window).

Am I making my point here? Why did he not find that I have found? It's the approach you can expect from this individual, and it really isn't very investigative at all.

At 11:21 Russell Miller: “From high school... he graduated from high school, then went to George Washington University. He said he graduated as a nuclear physicist.”

There we have the “nuclear physicist” again. Can Russell Miller support his claim that L. Ron Hubbard actually “said” this? He embellishes that from the dust wrapper flaps of ‘All about Radiation’ (1957), presented at the TV show, that says “L. Ron Hubbard, one of America's first nuclear physicists”. It might be more interesting to establish who wrote the text on the flaps, as it isn't the writer of a book. The book by the way was published anonymously at it's first release.

Russell Miller (3) L. Ron Hubbard's fiction legacy

At 12:17 Russell Miller: “He was unsure of what to do with his life, and I think he found himself when he started writing science fiction. That was... it was a moment when science fiction was becoming extremely popular. He had a great imagination. He had lots of ideas and great flair. You know, these interplanetary, galactic wars and all the pre-‘Star Wars’ stuff, really. You know, he was L. Ron Hubbard the well-known science fiction writer.”

Russell Miller makes it appear as if it was all science fiction and that L. Ron Hubbard got into fiction writing because of a “flair” for “interplanetary, galactic wars”. Really? That is just not true! See, it is very well documented that he wrote and published articles in all sorts of categories and magazines, non-fiction as well as fiction.

The fiction stories (so-called pulp fiction) were selling rather well, there were adventure, mystery/detective, western, romance, fantasy and yes also science fiction. Science fiction though makes up just a small portion of this fiction legacy. The fiction written during 1932-50 just makes up about 20% of that.

Russell Miller also has a mismatch of the time. For when exactly did science fiction become “extremely popular”? According to Russell Miller it would have been in 1932 when L. Ron Hubbard first started writing fiction. L. Ron Hubbard started already with fiction writing in 1932, nonetheless it took a whole 6 years (in 1938) before his first science fiction story was published. So what is Russell Miller talking about?! (science fiction started to enjoy popularity during the late 30s, with its heydays during the 40s and 50s when movie making also picked it up)

Russel Miller calls him out for “the well-known science fiction writer”, when about say 75% of the whole of just his fiction legacy is not even science fiction, then add to that the materials of Scientology and Dianetics which are not either fiction. During the 30s the focus was primarily on adventure type stories and certainly not science fiction, when we see that science fiction increased in demand with the public the focus became more and more on science fiction. What does that tell us? You sell better! Why doesn't Russell Miller know these things?

It is funny though, I was rather familiar with for example Isaac Asimov, Arthur C. Clarke, Ursula Le Guin, and so forth, but I did not know about L. Ron Hubbard. I asked other people that were into science fiction and they didn't recognize the name either. Why is that? Not so “well-known” after all in that science fiction world. It just does not appear Russell Miller checked matters very carefully at all.

Russell also make the claim that “He was unsure of what to do with his life”, really? He is making that claim elsewhere. Now, where is he basing that on?

I documented L. Ron Hubbard's fiction legacy here (separate window).

Russell Miller (4) L. Ron Hubbard's war legacy

	At 12:42 Russell Miller: “Come the war, he enlisted in the United States Navy. And the... this is where Hubbard's story and the real story of L. Ron Hubbard's activities diverges in an extraordinary way. I mean, there is no similarity between the two. The story was that Hubbard was constantly in combat. He was wounded many times. He was... got up to all kinds of adventures behind the lines. The reality was that he was a disaster as an officer. I got his record from the Freedom of Information Act.”
	At 13:11 screen dump text: “L. Ron Hubbard claimed he was awarded 29 combat medals. In actually, he never received an honor for battle.”

Information has come forward that L. Ron Hubbard among other was involved with undercover activities during WWII. It means that you seal existing records and replace them with other ones, this for obvious reasons. I address these matters, provide various documentation, a link is also provided to the examination performed by Margaret Lake. Consult all that here (separate window).

There is really a lot of information that Russell Miller had missed out on. Why? Remember his claim was: “I had to check everything. I couldn't take a single thing at face value.”, but as it appeared he did nothing of the kind! He does not, not even for a single moment consider the option of sealed documents, which is in fact a common practice during war! All Russell Miller does is calling L. Ron Hubbard out for a liar.

L. Ron Hubbard's recovery needed to make ‘Dianetics’ appear credible?

At 14:53 Leah Remini: “He writes about being in fantastic battles of which he was greatly injured. And he talks about curing himself.”

At 15:06 it presents on the episode lifted text from “My Philosophy” [ca 1965]. The TV show only shows some incomplete phrases. I present the whole sequence:

	“Blinded with injured optic nerves, and lame with physical injuries to hip and back, at the end of World War II, I faced an almost nonexistent future. My Service record stated: ‘This officer has no neurotic or psychotic tendencies of any kind whatsoever,’ but it also stated ‘permanently disabled physically.’
	And so there came a further blow . . . I was abandoned by family and friends as a supposedly hopeless cripple and a probable burden upon them for the rest of my days. I yet worked my way back to fitness and strength in less than two years, using only what I knew and could determine about Man and his relationship to the universe.”          LRH

At 15:21-15:39:

“By 1948, through my own processing and use of the principles I had isolated up to that time, was able to pass a 100% combat physical, which was very mysterious to the government how I'd suddenly become completely physically well from being blind and lame.”          LRH

	At 15:39 Hana Whitfield: “‘Dianetics’ had been written in 1950. He gave himself a prestige and credit where it wasn't due in order to promote ‘Dianetics’.”
	At 16:08 Leah Remini: “You know, he monopolized on the time, you know, where people were looking for alternatives, where people wanted to be in charge of their own mental health, to not to be told, you know, had the appearance that it was a self-help proposition. It was not any of those things, but it was a movement of the time.”
	At 17:04 Mike Rinder: “This is a very, very important point in the life of L. Ron Hubbard because the fundamental of 'Dianetics' is based on the fact that he cured himself.”

What does this try to say? That one needed a story of recovery in order to be able to sell the book ‘Dianetics’ while it is insinuated as if it does not carry any merit by itself?

At 16:59: “According to Newsweek, just two months after Dianetics was published, 55,000 copies were sold and 500 Dianetics clubs had been established.”

Was it for to make it appear as if it would not have attracted this much attention if the self recovery tale of L. Ron Hubbard would have been missing?

	At 17:41 Mike Rinder: “He did use this repeatedly to justify how he had come to discover Dianetics. If Hubbard really didn't suffer these injuries in the war and didn't cure himself, then the foundation of ‘Dianetics’ and Scientology falls to pieces.”
	At 17:59 Leah Remini: “So the thing that I have issue with is if that is untrue, what he claims about himself, what he says in these books, that is everything that Scientology is based on, is what L. Ron Hubbard says about himself.”

I am sorry, but this is ludicrous, there is no foundation found for this here at all. There is nothing factual that indicates any such thing. This is a very strange notion that is being forwarded here. How do you think up something like this? There sure wasn't any promo on this when I got involved...

Nonetheless here the reason is given in plain words why they had to come up with this:

	At 18:16 Russell Miller: “But, Leah, it's vitally important for the continuation of Scientology for Hubbard to be seen as this extraordinary individual.”
	At 18:29 Leah Remini: “I don't care if people thinks he's extraordinary. He could be extraordinary. He could be a genius. I don't care. What I care about is that he has based a religion that costs people a half a million dollars and their lives based on lies.”

I don't think the person L. Ron Hubbard had so very much or anythng at all to do with this. I myself was never interested in the person, I was interested in the information in the writings and that the person was saying. The notion given here is therefore surreal to me.

Leah Remini also is in error about the “$500,000”, she is just not realizing a time mismatch. The Bridge was cheap/very affordable at least during the first 20 years of its existence.

I am not actually sure what “lies” she means, Dianetics, Scientology, or L. Ron Hubbard's recovery?

‘Dianetics’ (2) bankruptcy?

At 19:06 Hana Whitfield: “‘Dianetics’, when it first boomed in the United States after 1950, and then it went into a decline. People were not achieving what had been promised.”

If that was the case then why did it survive these opposition and attacks? It continued to attract attention, and it continued to grow...

At 19:24:

Of course the American Psychiatric Association does not want anything to do with Dianetics. Just imagine, a self help treatment, a concurrent. This is all about vested interests.

The Dianetic technique is far from “unscientific”, and how precisely is it “unrealistic”? The technique is counter hypnosis, because if it is to work you need to be aware and alert mentally. And were does the fortune-telling comes in and astrology. Let them also explain “cultists”. Here it is an opinion without merit.

At 19:25 Russell Miller: “Hubbard had left a trail of chaos behind him. You know, everything he did turned bad in a way. I mean, the first Dianetics organizations, you know, they ran out of money and there were all kinds of lawsuits and litigation.”

Really? It is reality that every new movement in society will be in for a struggle. You will awaken opposition (vested interests) as there will be people reaching out for it. And people did continue to reach out for it, and the book ‘Dianetics’ continued to be a best-seller. How is Russell Miller explaining that? That “trail of chaos” is only in his mind. A very typical thing for him to say is “everything he did turned bad in a way”. His condemnations are total. His own book is filled with such talk. If he has right, then why did Dianetics and Scientology continue to grow? Why?

At 19:46 screen dump text: “In 1952, the Dianetics Foundation went bankrupt. L. Ron Hubbard lost the rights to Dianetics.”

Hardship was faced. Now, you don't lose a copyright just like that, so why was it lost? Then there was this Don Purcell that took advantage of a situation. Either way L. Ron Hubbard sued and it wasn't for long (1954) that the copyrights were returned to L. Ron Hubbard. Why does the TV show not tell about that? Why does it not tell the whole story?

Russell Miller (5) money, money, money... (Dianetics vs. Scientology)

At 19:52 Russell Miller: “He said several times that the way to make money was to start a religion. He's on the record of saying that on three separate occasions to three different people.”

Russell Miller should not hold on to claims he made back in 1987 in his own book. This has all been debunked... confirmed by Russell Miller himself! See here (separate window).

	At 20:01 Russell Miller: “And Hubbard loved money. You know, he was motivated by money.”
	At 20:10 screen dump text: “No longer getting royalties from Dianetics, in 1952, Hubbard announced Scientology and began publishing and selling Scientology books.”

At 20:10 screen dump text: “No longer getting royalties from Dianetics, in 1952, Hubbard announced Scientology and began publishing and selling Scientology books.”

Right, the impression is made here, insinuated at that, as if Scientology only came about because of the loss of the rights of Dianetics. One should understand that Dianetics and Scientology are different approaches, the former has a focus on the physical body, as in running engrams*, where the latter has its focus on the spiritual part. In brief like this:

	“Dianetics came before Scientology. It disposed of body illness and the difficulties a thetan was having with his body. This was a Present Time Problem to the thetan. In the presence of a PTP no case gain results (an old discovery).
	When a thetan has body discomfort or upset solved, he could then go on with what he really wanted which were the improvements to be found in Scientology.”          LRH (from HCOB 22 Apr 69 “Dianetics vs Scientology”)

	At 20:15 Russell Miller: “This is a book ... and it's introduced with I think the most audacious and extraordinary introduction of any book ever, really. And it goes like this:
	‘With this book, the ability to make one's body old or young at will, The ability to heal the ill without physical contact, The ability to cure the insane and incapacitated is set forth for the physician, the layman, the mathematician, and the physicist.’”

This is taken from ‘Scientology 8-80, The Discovery and Increase of Life Energy in the Genus Homo Sapiens’ (1952), from “Editorial Note”, page 7. The whole chapter reads:

“The discovery and isolation of Life Energy in such a form as to revive the dead or dying has been an ambition as old as Man himself. In the last two thousand years a few individuals have claimed the ability without explaining it. With this book, the ability to make one's body old or young at will, the ability to heal the ill without physical contact, the ability to cure the insane and the incapacitated, is set forth for the physician, the layman, the mathematician, and the physicist.”          LRH

Instead of a Russell Miller taking this and making fun of it, just read the little book (or at least the whole chapter it was taken from) and see what it is about... that is if you are up to it.

At 21:33 Mike Rinder: “Dianetics moved into Scientology, and there's a whole story about that. And Scientology then continued to grow and sort of expand around the world until Hubbard installed himself in England at Saint Hill in 1959 and became the magnet for Scientologists around the world to come and study with Hubbard.”

Apparently it wasn't so unpopular and without merit as was claimed, now was it? Why was it expanding worldwide.

In a sense “Dianetics moved into Scientology” but the latter was not replacing the former. It's simply two different things. There is no money angle as Russell Miller and the TV show claim as if the latter was initiated because the former faced difficulties, just to facilitate the money income flow...

At 21:55: “He's making a huge amount of money, which seemed to have disappeared. Money rolled in. The money rolled out very, very quickly indeed.”

Now what? He doesn't even know about what happened with any income. For sure L. Ron Hubbard wasn't living in luxury. Why not? Let Russell Miller explain that...

At 22:01: “He was the kind of character that you would expect that the FBI and the CIA would take a bit of attention, and indeed the MI6 was also looking at his activities. And then by this time, he started the Sea Orgs simply because life was getting too hot for him in every country he went to.”

L. Ron Hubbard wasn't actually under investigation by these entities that can be shown. Russell Miller says “Sea Orgs”, as in plural, why? Then Russell Miller gets into another time mismatch. L. Ron Hubbard did not went out to the seas by 1967, and for a rather different reason. The situation Russell Miller tries to associate it with was not occurring until the early 70s. It is much more reliable to read Omar V. Garrison's: ‘The Hidden Story of Scientology’ (1974) to learn about that.

Sea Org vs. Scientology

At 22:43 Leah Remini: “What I don't understand is how L. Ron Hubbard set Scientology, not just the Sea Org, but Scientology up as a military operation. The uniforms resemble the military. And every policy is written as a... as a Flag order, and there are high crimes. And there's a master-at-arms.”

The Sea Org is a different entity altogether, it was for at sea. As such it is not associated with Scientology. You see, Flag Orders were only for use by Sea Org members. Each Scientology organization was independent to begin with. This did not change until such time the Religious Technology Center (RTC) came into being (1982) and that was spearheaded by David Miscavige.

At 23:09 Hana Whitfield: “It started as just Scientology. Then Hubbard developed the Sea Organization. And at a certain point, the Sea Organization just gradually took over all of Scientology.”

It would be incorrect to say that. The Sea Org did run the advanced organizations (higher services). The Sea Org wasn't setup to control the Class IV organizations, it was more like giving a helping hand with executing missions and getting ethics matters sorted out. These Sea Org people still had to answer to the EDs of the Class IV organizations. As mentioned the RTC took over by 1982 and basically changed that. Original policy still prohibits it, but no one is looking or standing up...

At 23:30 Mike Rinder: “He saw himself as an absolute dictator who absolutely dictated everything that you are to think, everything that you are to do, and every action that you are to take in your life.”

That is certainly not true at all! Again the RTC and the changes incorporated since 1982 accomplished that, controlled by David Miscavige. See here (separate window)

Russell Miller (6) Quentin Hubbard

	At 29:31 Leah Remini: “Russell, something that you wrote in your book, you said that maybe Quentin was homosexual. Why would you say that?”
	At 29:37 Russell Miller: “The people that I interviewed who just generally accepted that he was probably homosexual, but he couldn't be mentioned to L. Ron because...”

A problem is that Russell Miller goes after rumours. Scientologists weren't talking to him, So that he got were people that had something to complain about. There is no indication Quentin would have been that he was accused of, so why saying these things? Who does that? Russell Miller does... and... Leah Remini takes it on, sort of then confirming that in the TV show, wow! Next she goes on repeating that what L. Ron Hubbard supposedly said about homosexuals which essentially is false. I addressed that already here (separate window).

At 30:55 screen dump text: “At age 22, Quentin Hubbard was found unconscious in his parked car, after attempting suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning. He died in the hospital two weeks later.”

Russell Miller also readily adopts it:

At 31:00: “When Quentin killed himself by attaching a pipe to the exhaust of his car and running it through the window, ...”

The case really is a lot more complicated than that. Didn't Russell Miller state: “I couldn't take a single thing at face value. I had to check everything.”. The problem is that he not ever did or does that! Proven by his own actions/inactions. I touch upon Quentin Hubbard here (separate window).

Russell Miller (7) Mary Sue Hubbard, Snow White and Guardian Office

At 31:54 Russell Miller: “Even Mary Sue, you know, even she in the end was set to one side when Operation Snow White came into being.”

Excuse me? Where does he get that from? For one that's a time mismatch. The 'Snow White Program' dates to Apr 73. What does Mary Sue got to do with that? There is no proven association. Mary Sue Hubbard was not running the Guardian Office. Jane Kember did that. There are still parts of the story shrouded in mystery and unclear (missing documentation). Russell Miller should not just assume stuff, but that is just his way of operating.

At 32:02 screen dump text: “Operation Snow White was a covert plan carried out by Scientologists to disrupt investigations into Scientology by various government agencies.”

Really?

At 32:12 Russell Miller: “Only Hubbard, I think in all the world, could have decided that the way to deal with the bad information that was lodged in government files was to simply steal it and destroy it. You know, that to him was the obvious explanation. You know, a simple thing to do.”

Another story he just makes up. Russell Miller's investigative skills are just not up to the task. The ‘Snow White Program’ has been accused of doing that he claims, but the actual program reveals nothing of that. Also there is no involvement of L. Ron Hubbard to be found anywhere. Russell Miller the story teller makes it up. I address the ‘Snow White Program’ here (separate window).

	At 33:20 Leah Remini: “And then she [Mary Sue Hubbard] was, you know, given a house in Los Angeles, where she had never had contact with L. Ron Hubbard again.”
	At 33:27 Mike Rinder: “And she was monitored to the last day of her life by people who were installed in her household by David Miscavige, who reported to him every day on her activity.”

Well, Leah Remini and Mike Rinder, still not waking up?! It is right in front of you, look!

I address the Guardian Office ordeal here (separate window).

Concluding words

	At 40:07 Leah Remini: “What do you think his legacy will be? Or should be?”
	At 40:11 Russell Miller: “I think his legacy will be one of sadness and deceit and that he will have affected adversely the lives of very, very many people. I cannot see a single benefit he's brought the table. I can't think he's done or said anything with any consequence that would be of benefit to anybody.”

Now, doesn't that expose Russell Miller?

	At 40:36 Mike Rinder: “And how do you think people will view L. Ron Hubbard 20 years from now?”
	At 40:42 Hana Whitfield: “As a sham. As a charade. As a man who damaged a lot of people. And that he will be viewed with sorrow. That there will be sorrow in that legacy about what happened.”

She is really no better. Throughout the TV show she has been acknowledging Russell Miller with all he said.

At 41:04: “everyone can look at what has happened objectively and understand what was going on and that this... this monster was a monster. And then there would be no further need to consider L. Ron Hubbard as this great deity as you [Hana Whitfield] described him.”

Then a quick ‘smart’ comment from Leah Remini:

At 41:18: “As he described himself.”

No Leah, as you adopted his deity! Meanwhile, as it became clear in this episode, you adopted other ones...

One thing I may wonder, In this episode of the TV show I located at least three photographs that were deriving from me. So, are Leah Remini and Mike Rinder aware of my web pages?

‘Ask Me Anything Season 2’  (s2e14 - 21 Nov 2017)
	[Wiki: Leah answers viewer questions about Season 2 of Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath.]

This episode is basically a summary of the previous episodes. Many reprises. Questions are from Reddit, followed with sketches from past episodes, then a repetition of video sequences that Leah Remini and Mike Rinder already have shared. In this episode however both Leah Remini and also Mike Rinder make some interesting and strange statements to which some attention will be given.

	At 9:56 Question: “Do you think that Scientology is dying in the internet age due to so much information about the nature of Scientology being available at people's fingertips?”
	At 10:04 Leah Remini: “Yes.” - Mike Rinder: “Absolutely.”
	At 10:05 Leah Remini: “And also, because it doesn't work.”

And when something “doesn't work” you stay on and support it for 35 years, that is nice...

	At 11:36 Question: “Do you think that Scientology will ever change their views on psychiatry?”
	At 11:37 Leah Remini: “No.” - Mike Rinder: “No. Absolutely not.”
	At 11:42 Mike Rinder: “Scientology does not recognize depression as a mental illness. ...

Ah really? Then what do they say it is?

[cont.] ... “In fact, nothing that has anything to do with psychiatry is acceptable in Scientology.”

Correct. The reason for that is that psychiatry primarily seeks cure and treatment through manipulation of the physical or the body, where Scientology does not.

At 12:02 Mike Rinder: “That is perhaps the most fundamental doctrine of Scientology, which sets up the ‘us versus them’ mentality within the bubble of Scientology. That is such an integral part of trying to keep people in Scientology.”

This you do “to keep people in Scientology”? Really? New to me... care to explain how that exactly works? Haven't seen that...

	At 22:02 Question: “Are there any efforts in place to stop the practice of Scientology?”
	At 22:05 Mike Rinder: “No. There are efforts in place to stop the abuses of Scientology.”
	At 22:09 Leah Remini: “The thing is, we're a documentary series exposing Scientology abuses.”

An interesting answer! Did both Leah Remini and Mike Rinder not repeatedly argue in this TV show that it was Scientology that would be the evil? People were only following these evil policies? Then if you get rid of the evil policies you get rid of the “abuses”, no?

If you only address the “abuses”, but not deal what is causing them, then how effective will you be in preventing future “abuses”?

	At 34:10 Question: “If David (Miscavige) were to step down as head of Scientology would we see any sort of change in the church? Either for better or for worse?”
	At 34:18 Leah Remini: “No.” - Mike Rinder: “No.”
	At 34:19 Leah Remini: “You would not see any change.”
	At 34:22 Mike Rinder: “Sci... Scientology is 100% controlled by the writings of L. Ron Hubbard.”
	At 34:29 Leah Remini: “...called ‘policy’.”
	At 34:31 Mike Rinder: “And he is dead, so he cannot change his writings and nobody else has the authority to do so.”

Excuse me? They did already, could this be why all has gone awry. Advocate to have it changed back to what L. Ron Hubbard originally wrote and then interpret it correctly in, then see what happens.

It makes you wonder who was writing and issuing all these references since 1982, doesn't it?

This LRH Tech Research and Compilations Unit (RTRC) has been revising a tremendous amount of references. Most of them were small changes. Other times they compiled whole new references issued with an L. Ron Hubbard signature. Now, what did Mike Rinder say again...

‘The Emotional Aftermath’  (s3e01 - 18 Nov 2018)
	[Wiki: Two of Leah's producers discuss the emotional consequences of leaving Scientology with Leah, Mike and their families. Guests include Leah's mother and two sisters, along with Mike's wife.]

• Is Scientology programming you?
• Tone scale and bull baiting à la Leah Remini
• The ‘real’ aftermath...

At 0:31 Leah Remini: “Tonight we are talking about the emotional aftermath of leaving Scientology.”

At 0:46: “Really, this show tonight was sparked by our producers, who are here with us tonight, Chris and Ray.”

They are introduced like as if they were the only “producers” (Co-Executive Producers) of the TV show. Mike Rinder was named in the credits in at least this episode also as a Co-Executive Producer. Leah Remini herself is listed as Executive Producer as are three additional persons. Excuse me?

Is Scientology programming you?

At 1:20 Leah Remini: “But really, this show was being forced on us to be completely honest. Because we don't really like to be emotional and we don't really like to go there. And that's for a few reasons. One, because we were raised in Scientology, where real emotion other than anger is not really looked upon kindly. And if you are looking at yourself as a victim in any way, that is the lowest form of person you could be in Scientology. Everything that's happened to you is because you made it happen. And that ranges from abuse for physical, sexual. Getting into a car accident, you're basically told that was your fault, if nothing else for simply being there.”

This is certainly not untrue. However some Scientology parishioners deal with this in an intellectual manner, but oftentimes others in the Church may not. It is reality that you have a responsibility for what happens to you, however you don't have to turn this into blame. It is thát which so often happens in the Church! To the point it gets annoying and irresponsible of he or she that is turning it into blame. If you are hit by a car, then were you not looking where you were going? There are also religions that would call it karma.

At 5:03 Mike Rinder: “Being raised as Scientologist or being heavily involved in Scientology, it teaches you how to deal with everything, you never think for yourself. Despite their slogan, the truth is that you have pre-programmed way of addressing everything.”

Isn't that a choice each will make for him or herself?! True is that many that went to university come out of it pre-programmed and think in a certain way, and have adopted an opinion that often aligns with that the teachers taught or thought. These students also made that decision. Whatever you study or read there is always the risk for brainwash for which you need to be on your alert.

Now, are students blaming the university for that, they do not. Why then are people blaming Scientology for it? You were there were you not? You may say it is more persuasive and manipulative with this Church, there is no argue there.

At 9:25 Mike Rinder: “I don't think there's a Scientologist in the world who is a real Scientologist that isn't and doesn't operate that way. If you are a good Scientologist and someone from the organization tells you this person is bad, that's it. You are not questioning it. You are not doubting it.”

Sorry, that is not “a good Scientologist” not in any way! I did not “operate” as the admittedly obedient Sci... uh follower that he was...

Tone scale and bull baiting à la Leah Remini

At 12:50 Leah Remini: “The main tone of a Scientologist is anger because they have us... what they call a tone scale. And this tone scale is taught to every Scientologist, and it's ingrained in everybody's head that below a certain point means death. And it just so happens that they use the anger part, which is in the middle, as anything at anger and above is good.”

Excuse me? Where does she get this from? This is not what the tone scale is for. It's purpose essentially is for to have the auditor to determine where the person undergoing processing is at. The purpose of auditing is to raise the person's tone. (ref. ‘Science of Survival’ (1951).

At 13:16: “It's ok to be physical with other Scientologists, especially Sea Org members, to be beating each other. It's very normal to be talking, yelling, demanding, you're abusive.”

No, that is not normal at all! “physical”? No!, “beating”? No! Where is she getting this from? Leah Remini has never been on staff or Sea Org. I have. Try to hit me, and see what happens... Address me disrespectfully, and I would ignore you until you talk in a normal manner. Just because, apparently certain things were happening at international management (Hemet, Gold Base, what ever you call it), this however certainly does not mean it would happen in the whole of Sea Org. I was at Flag, there all this was unheard of. Attitudes? Yes., Yelling? Yes., Violence? No. Not even from missionairies from international management, although most of them had huge attitudes.

Leah Remini only heard about Sea Org members from top Scientology management places, it is all she heard about in her TV shows from these her quests that had been there.

At 13:29 Leah Remini: “You know... you know, they do drills that are very... I think, starting at five, where it's called bull baiting. And you would sit in front of another person... and every Scientologist does this... where a grown up is sitting across from you saying sexual things, yelling and screaming this close to your face. And if you react to it, you have to keep doing it until you're what's called flat on it. So they teach you not to react to being abused. They teach you not to react to you know, being harmed basically.”

This bull baiting referred to is a Training Routine for the auditor and is used in auditing sessions and nót outside of them. It's purpose is to have the auditor not to express emotional involvement while processing a person, whatever the person is saying or incidents he or she is going through. It has been found that it does not benefit the person that is receiving processing.

At 13:47:

“this close to your face”? I really wouldn't think so, you are to “sit” “apart–about three feet”. You won't be able to come that close, and you may not leave your chair. Leah Remini is probably confusing this with Twister, you know... that game...

“PURPOSE:  To train student to confront a preclear with auditing or with nothing. The whole idea is to get the student able to BE there comfortably in a position three feet in front of the preclear without being thrown off, distracted or reacting in any way to what the preclear says or does.”          LRH (from HCOB 16 Aug 71 II “Training Drills Modernized”)

Per this the application as suggested by Leah Remini is simply inappropriate. Additionally, in auditing procedures past incidents and experiences are addressed. Leah Remini wants to associate it with “being abused” and “harmed” happening in present time. Her suggestion is that it is forcing people into being victims, where it's intended use is to benefit the processed person clearing up mental charge from past incidents. See how she turns it all around... It is an auditing routine for use in processing by an auditor, what is Leah Remini thinking?

I have no clue what her “starting at five” refers to?

The ‘real’ aftermath...

At 16:33:

Leah Remini is telling all these things, this distorted version of Scientology that she has, she does not even understand bull bait or the tone scale. Then we see on this episode how two never-been-Scientologists, Ray Dotch and Chris Rowe, Co-Executive Producers of the TV show, who urged for the topic of this episode, that are looking sort of shocked or perplex, not knowing what to say to what they are hearing. And I thought that Leah Remini was so opposed to brainwash and things? It is certainly not that the two never-been-Scientologists are getting correct information. They can only respond to the information they receive...

It makes you wonder, does Leah Remini know thís little about such Scientology fundamentals, after 35 years in the Church? What wás she doing there all these years? The same goes for Mike Rinder, the other guests of this show, which are Mike's wife, Leah's mother and her two sisters.

It is easy for me to prove that I say is correct, but I guess none of them are particularly reading geniuses. Mike Rinder said in the beginning of this episode “think for yourself”, yeah right... in effect they are thinking for the viewers of the TV show!

At 39:36: “The first thing for me is to make sure he [his son] knows that Scientology is bad. I'm serious.”

Well, you don't have to deny them Scientology. Get them to the Free Zone or Independent Scientologists, they have no association with the Church, decent pricings, and skip all the nonsense you'd experience in the Church. Ah well...

Vocabulary:

     audit, auditing, auditor:
The application of Scientology processes and procedures to someone by a trained auditor (listener). The goal of the auditor is to make the receiver of the auditing look at incidents and reduce the mental charge which may lay upon them. The auditor may not evaluate and has to adhere to the Auditor's code.
     engram:
1. Simply moments of physical pain strong enough to throw part or all the analytical machinery out of circuit; they are antagonism to the survival of the organism or pretended sympathy to the organism's survival. That is the entire definition. Great or little unconsciousness, physical pain, perceptic content, and contra-survival or pro-survival data. (Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, p. 68)  2. A moment when the analytical mind is shut down by physical pain, drugs or other means, and the reactive bank is open to the receipt of a recording. (Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, p. 153)  3. The word engram is an old one borrowed from biology. It means simply, “a lasting memory trace on a cell.” It may be engraved on more than the cell, but up against Dianetic processing, it is not very lasting. (Science of Survival, p. 10)  4. A recording which has the sole purpose of steering the individual through supposed but usually nonexistent dangers. (Science of Survival, p. 10)  5. A mental image picture which is a recording of a time of physical pain and unconsciousness. It must by definition have impact or injury as part of its content. (HCOB 23 Apr 69)  6. A complete recording, down to the last accurate detail, of every perception present in a moment of partial or full unconsciousness. (Scientology 0-8, p. 11)
     Flag Order (FO):
This is the equivalent to a policy letter (HCO PL) in the Sea Org (senior organization within the Church of Scientology). Contains policy and sea technical materials. They are numbered and dated. They do not decay, HCO PLs and FOs are both in effect on Sea Org orgs, ships, offices and bases. Black ink on white paper. Distribution to all Sea Org members. It is vital for SO units to have master files and quantity of FOs from which hats can be made up for SO personnel and courses. (HCO PL 24 Sept 70R)
     Gold Base:
Holds the Golden Era Productions facilities where Scientology religious training films and audio properties are produced and technical compilations occur. (‘What Is Scientology?’ (1992 edition), page 508)
     HASI:
‘Hubbard Association of Scientologists International’.
     HCOB:
‘Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin’. Color flash–red ink on white paper. Written by LRH only , but only so starting from January 1974. These are the technical issue line. All data for auditing and courses is contained in HCOBs. For more information go here (separate window).
    HCO PL:
‘Hubbard Communication Office Policy Letter’. Color flash–green ink on white paper. Written by LRH only, but only so starting from January 1974. These are the organizational and administrative issue line. For more information go here (separate window).
     IAS:
‘International Association of Scientologists’. A Scientology membership granting amongst other 20% discounts and other financial advantages.
    IMDB:
‘International Movie Database’. Internet address: https://www.imdb.com. Used as a source reference.
     LRH:
An usual abbreviation for ‘L. Ron Hubbard’.
     LRH ED:
‘L. Ron Hubbard Executive Directive’. Earlier called SEC EDs (Secretarial EDs). These are issued by LRH to various areas. They are not valid longer than one year if fully complied with when they are automatically retired. They otherwise remain valid until fully complied with or until amended or cancelled by another LRH ED. They carry current line, projects, programs, immediate orders and directions. They are numbered for area and sequence for the area and are sent to staffs or specific posts in orgs. They are blue ink on white paper with a special heading. (HCO PL 24 Sept 70R)
     org(s):
Short for ‘organization(s)’.
     OT:
Short for ‘Operating Thetan’. Denotes a person having advanced to the higher levels in Scientology.
     RPF:
‘Rehabilitation Project Force’. For more detailed information see article here (separate window).
     Sea Org (SO):
Short for ‘Sea Organization’. This is the senior organization within the Church of Scientology that see to it that Advanced Organizations (AOs) and the Class IV-V organizations do function well. They send out so-called missions if there are indications or if they find that improvement or corrections are called for. They also provide for dissemination and other programs that the Scientology organizations are to comply with. Missions may be send out to implement these and instruct the organizations.
    Wiki:
On this page this is short for Wikipedia. Used as a source reference.